Room Conversation – October 17, 1975, Johannesburg

Prabhupada: You have done good because you are waiting for somebody's decision. So the decision-maker can change. Otherwise so many people are working so hard day and night, he is not getting even sufficient food. And another man, without working, he is getting so much money. How it is possible? Hmm? So God is not an instrument of your whims. He is fully independent. That is God. Aghatana ghatana patiyasi. [Expert in making impossible possible]. By His different energy He can..., does something which is impossible to be done. Take for example myself. I went to United States, unknown country, without any friend, without any hope, simply on theory [chuckles] that "I shall go and preach there," and with this expectation also, that "As soon as I shall ask them to give up all these habits, they will ask me to go away." [laughs] So in the face of so many odds and uncertainty, I went there, simply depending on my spiritual master and Krsna, with this hope only, that "If there is desire, everything can be done. But otherwise there is no hope. I am going there, hopeless, just to make an experiment. My other Godbrothers, they failed. All right, Guru Maharaja asked me. In the beginning I did not do. Let me do it in this old age." So it became surprisingly success. Business started with forty rupees, and now we have got four crores. Where is that business in the material world, that a man started business with forty rupees and he has got four crores within ten years? Not only money but also fame, respect. What do these kings and president or minister get, respect?

Harikesa: It takes them fifty years.

Pusta Krsna: Still, they get kicked on the face like Nixon.

Prabhupada: Nobody would sincerely respect them. Only for some self-interest. But here, respect offered to me, it is out of love. That is not for any bargaining. So who can get this? So this is God's... So one has to see by the result. That is stated in the... I think we have described: the, what is called, container is understood by the quantity of contents. The container is understood by the quantity of the contents. The example is given of water-water, air, and light. When there is good flame, then we can understand that the contents is very inflammable. Just like petrol. So that is in comparison where when there is big amount of, quantity of water, that means the container is big. Similarly, the big quantity of ether, then it is to be understood, quantity according to the content. So one has to understand, as Krsna said, yad yad vibhūtimat sattvam mama tejo-'msa... [Bg 10.41]. How much Krsna's favor is there, we have to understand from the contents. Then we can understand, we can make an estimate of the container. By the quantity of contents we can understand the, what is called...?

Pusta Krsna: Capacity.

Prabhupada: Capacity of the container. This is described in the Bhagavata and the Caitanya-caritamrta also. Krsna sakti vina nahe krsna nama pracara: "Without Krsna's special power of attorney, nobody can preach His name." Caitanya-caritamrta. [Cc Antya 7.11] So these rascals, Godbrothers, they are envious that... What he has written, Bon Maharaja? Just see what kind of men they are. They are not even ordinary human being. They are envious of me, and what to speak of make a judgment by estimation? They're envious. Enviousness is immediately disqualification of Vaisnava. Immediate. He is not a human being. Paramo nirmatsaranam satam [SB 1.1.2]. This Bhagavatam is meant for the person who is completely not envious. That is the beginning. Why a Vaisnava should be envious for anyone? Everyone is working according to his karma. He is trying to rectify him, that "Be out of these clutches of karma. You come to bhakti." Why he should be envious? vancha-kalpa-tarubhyas ca krpa-sindhubhya eva ca. [Vaisnava pranati]. A Vaisnava should be like ocean of mercy to reclaim the fallen souls. That is Vaisnava's qualification. So Vaisnava should be envious? Just see.

So these persons, they are not even human being, what to speak of Vaisnava. Vaisnava cannot be envious. Vaisnava should be: "Oh, my Lord's name is being broadcast. He is getting..., giving so much service to make Krsna known." Just like this man has appreciated, that "All these spiritual leaders, they are deriding. You are the only man... You are... It enthuses us, give us more encouragement, that you are keeping intact love of Krsna." This is an appreciation. Why he should be envious? He should be, rather, very much enthused that "This single man is keeping Krsna all over the world." And everyone is deriding. Even Gandhi is killing Krsna. Dr. Radhakrishnan is killing. Their only business is to kill Krsna. He is also doing that, our this Bon Maharaja. He never speaks of Krsna. His rascal, that Institute of Indian Philosophy, nobody goes to urine there. We see practically. And our temple is always filled up, five hundred men. And he is trying for the last forty years. He is simply planning: "This will be playground. This will be this ground. This will be this ground." And it is becoming jungle. Still, he is so envious, black snake. So one circular letter should be issued to all our center, that "Any..., Bon Maharaja or anyone, his representative, should not be received." They are envious. Yes. Quoting that. We have got several complaints like that. Satsvarūpa also complained, sometimes our order was canceled by Bon Maharaja's propaganda.

Pusta Krsna: You mean he has been corresponding with professors in America?

Prabhupada: Yes. Because he has got that background.

Pusta Krsna: Some catalog, with his literature. There must be some catalog or something that his list of books is in.

Prabhupada: His books?

Pusta Krsna: Something. Or the Oriental...

Prabhupada: He has no book.

Harikesa: Just that one book.

Prabhupada: That is also...

Pusta Krsna: Also, when I read that book long time ago, he said in the introduction that once he took a vow for two years not to speak anything. I thought it was very strange for a Vaisnava.

Harikesa: He lived underneath the ground in one cell. You know that?

Prabhupada: Yes. Just to make a show.

Pusta Krsna: You've said, "Yes, if someone can only speak nonsense, they shouldn't speak. But if they can speak about Krsna to glorify Krsna-kathayantas ca mam nityam [Bg 10.9]-then always they can talk about Krsna."

Prabhupada: He said?

Pusta Krsna: No, you say. He said, "I have taken vow not to speak anything."

Prabhupada: Just see.

Pusta Krsna: I thought it was crazy.

Prabhupada: That is condemned by Prahlada Maharaja. You will find in Prahlada Maharaja that "This is for professional men to get some prestige." Prahlada Maharaja said like that. Hm.

Pusta Krsna: We take morning walk now, Srila Prabhupada?

Harikesa: We're having the morning walk in the room today. [end]