Room Conversation – November 6, 1977, Vṛndāvana
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771106R3-Vrindavan [30:44 Minutes]
They have no common sense even
Bhagatji: Sometimes when I used to come you were sleeping. I'll sit for one hour and then went out.
Prabhupada: Things are going on.
Tamala Krsna: Bhagatji was working very hard, Srila Prabhupada. Too hard. Sometimes he missed his meals in the last two days to do that. I never saw... Even a young man could not work so much as he worked in the last two days. Srila Prabhupada? I think we can... If you allow, Bhavananda Maharaja and I can sit you up for a minute to drink a little barley milk? Then you can lay down and take good rest. Taking a little warm thing at night is helpful for sleeping. It's relaxing. We never were used to that, but since we met Your Divine Grace, we're always taking a little warm milk at night. So you'll allow us to give you a little? Okay. [pause]
[pause] Water from [indistinct]? Would you like to lie down now, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Pass urine.
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Prabhupada: [Transl. ...That's why Caitanya Mahaprabhu instructed not to make many disciples. He ordered to preach and deliver the living entities.]
Bhagatji: [Transl. He didn't forbid the qualified persons. Srila Prabhupada. He forbade the ordinary people. Some are very special souls, they come from the spiritual world to do this kind of work. Such prohibition is not applicable to them. Does Sriman Mahaprabhu give special power like this to each and everybody?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. If someone is not qualified, then what will happen?]
Bhagatji: [Transl. Was anyone empowered to spread the holy name in the western countries as it's sound is being vibrated all over the sky?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Who else has done that?]
Bhagatji: [Transl. Srila Prabhupada has done all this. Whenever I enter in this room of yours I remember your old days Srila Prabhupada. My heart pains, I feel sad in my heart. I remember how I used to make you sit down and feed you. And how you used to preach to me. I remember all those things. For hours together... Only I know how you protected me.]
Prabhupada: Hmm.
Indian guest: In Agra? In some university?
Indian guest: Great.
Prabhupada: Agra, which?
Indian guest: Agra University is itself a universtity
Bhagatji: And Agra University is the biggest university in U.P.
Bhagatji: It contains so many colleges outside Agra also. Just in Aligarh, in Mathura, all are affiliated to Agra University. All other universities in U.P. are local universities, just like Allahabad, Benares, Lucknow.
Prabhupada: This, our Bon Maharaja's, that is also...
Bhagatji: Affiliated to Agra University, this university, this quarter, yes.
Prabhupada: Receive them nicely.
Prabhupada: The Manipuri devotees, receive them nicely.
Tamala Krsna: Receive them nicely. Didn't some Manipur devotees visit Caitanya Mahaprabhu in Jagannatha Puri sometimes?
Prabhupada: They go.
Svarupa Damodara: Yes. Just on the western gate of Jagannatha Puri there is also a place for Manipur. Devotees there, they serve Lord Jagannatha in Puri, special section for Manipur on the western gate of Jagannatha Puri.
Prabhupada: Everywhere. Navadvipa there is Manipur Mandir. Here also.
Indian guest: In Vrndavana also, Prabhupada, there is one? Which is that?
Prabhupada: Manipur devotees are very enthusiastic.
Prabhupada: So Agra University, you lectured professors?
Indian guest: Amongst profesors, or the students also?
Prabhupada: Hmm.
Indian guest: Very nice!
Prabhupada: Very good. When you have to go?
Indian guest: To build his Bhaktivedanta Swami Institute?
Prabhupada: Who will be president?
Prabhupada: No, tomorrow.
Svarupa Damodara: Oh, it's arranged by the head of the chemistry department. There's one professor called Gupta. He's very enthusiastic. And there are also several professors who came to our conference. All of them actually are arranging together. There's one Dr. Sukla, also there's one Dr. Sharma. Three, four of them are organizing the lecture. They have... Most of the people I found there, they have great respect for ISKCON, and they appreciate Srila Prabhupada's activities so much. I also requested them it is their responsibility to actually try to spread the genuine knowledge as a real science, scientists.
Prabhupada: Yes. Stories and fables will not convince them.
Prabhupada: Very good.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: No, it is a common sense. There is mother and there is children. Where is the father? They have no common sense even. Everything is produced... There are four kinds of living entities: udbhid-ja, sveda-ja, anda-ja and jarayu-ja. They do not know anything. You are taking account of the jarayu-ja, not udbhid-ja, sveda-ja, anda-ja. They think the trees are coming automatically. That is their theory. That's not fact. Aham bija-pradah pita [Bg 14.4]. Bijo 'ham sarva-bhutanam [Bg 7.10]. They do not consider this. A bug is coming from bed-they think it is automatically. No. The bija-pradah pita... There are four kinds of births.
Bhagatji: Jarayu-ja. Man, animal...
Bhagatji: Womb is everyone. That comes...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Bhagatji: Egg is this birds.
Prabhupada: Anda-ja, from eggs.
Brahmananda: Udbhid-ja.
Prabhupada: And vegetable.
Prabhupada: Yes. Embryo.
Prabhupada: So science means to know everything, not only theoretically. They say "automatically."
Prabhupada: Huh?
Prabhupada: The answer is there: "Here our father." They'll not accept. Without father, how there can be son? You do not know who is the father. Why the particular tree is giving particular fruit, particular flower, and this is exactly like...? What do they answer?
Prabhupada: These people, Gita-pratisthana, they spoke in Hindi. So there were so many foreigners. If Krsna consciousness is meant for Hindu or Hindi, not for others, what do they say?
Prabhupada: For that reason, they are compact within India. They cannot go out. Who will care for their Hindi? And they're nationalism, and at the same time...
Prabhupada: They are so many false...
Prabhupada: No.
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