Room Conversation – November 5, 1977, Vṛndāvana

Account for that

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Grapes juice?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Grapes juice is not making problem. Grapes juice he drinks. But this never happened before.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Grapes juice increases blood. It's good.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. You said by drinking grapes juice...]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. May be... Is he taking this continuously for one month?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. More than one month. He doesn't eat anything else.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. There is nothing bitter I hope.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I will show you the prescription.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. That is little … About milk, do you have Goat?]

Satadhanya: Finished with the urine, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Hmm. [Transl. Tell him to see me once a day.]

Tamala Krsna: Bhakti-caru, Prabhupada is talking to you.

Bhakti-caru: Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: [Transl. I am saying that he should come and check me every day]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Okay, Okay. [to the Kaviraja assistant: Srila Prabhupada is saying that you come every day whenever you are free and check him up.]

Bhakti-caru: Srila Prabhupada wants him to come every day, once a day, and check him out.

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Is this urine?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes, you check it. Should I put the light on? May I put the light on Srila Prabhupada?]

Tamala Krsna: One hundred cc's, Srila Prabhupada. Your urine was 100 cc's.

Prabhupada: No, urine is normal. Urine, it is all right. I am lying here. He can come conveniently.

Tamala Krsna: Bhakti-caru, Prabhupada says he is lying here, so the kaviraja can come whenever it's convenient, 'cause he's always here.

Bhakti-caru: Right. That's what I told him.

Prabhupada: And you should pay for that.

Tamala Krsna: No problem.

Prabhupada: Appreciate.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. Appreciate. There's no problem for that, Srila Prabhupada.

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Srila Prabhupada, let me see your hand. It is less in the hands.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Less than before?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. It is less than before.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. How did you come in contact with Kavirajaji?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. It happened like that he came with you.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I took him Srila Prabhupada. I took Shastriji to him and from that connection he knows Shastriji.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. The ark you are taking is coming from my place.]

Tamala Krsna: What was that?

Bhakti-caru: Srila Prabhupada is asking him how did he get to know Shastriji. So he said that it's I who took him there and...

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Maharajaji, are you getting normal sleep?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes. I get sleep.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. You get sleep. Well, what is the color of the urine?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Little yellow.]

Bhakti-caru: [to Satadhanya] Is it slightly yellowish, the color?

Satadhanya: Yellowish and clear. Yellow, clear.

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yellow and clear.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What is your good name?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. My name is Nischint Snatak.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Where are you from?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. I am from Avadh. Last fifteen years I am living in Vrndavana.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Is your family here?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Yes. My family ..My wife and two children, one is there. Next time when I come, …there is a saying that goat milk is very light. First the Goat is fed green leaves and herbs and then milk is taken. When one is unable to take any medicine, he is given goat milk. It will prove more useful. This was his advice.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Bring some.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Just a moment Srila Prabhupada, How and who will feed the green leaves?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. First the green leaves and herbs have to be collected. Then feed them to a goat.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Where will we get the goat?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Keep a goat here.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Oh, but ...I see After that...]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. The goat has to be kept here.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. First he used to have no problem in taking cow's milk. I asked you before whether by drinking cow's milk he became like this? And you said that by drinking cow's milk mucus may increase but nothing else can happen.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. You know the foam of the milk, you take it out first, and then give him. Don't give him the direct milk. You boil it again, take out the foam and then give him. When you remove the foam then the milk becomes very light.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes, alright.]

Tamala Krsna: How will he stop the stool?

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. And what can you do to stop the stool?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Let me see it.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Let me tell you. At night he passed 40 gms. After that...]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Even now little bit came out.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. It is coming out now also. This morning 9 o'clock….]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. One minute, Maharajaji, is it coming out drop by drop or at a time?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. It is coming out like drops.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Drops?]

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. After you pass urine, do you again feel like passing immediately?]

Prabhupada: Ummm.

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. After you finish passing urine, do you feel that some more urine is still there? Is it like that?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Before it used to be like that.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Not now?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. No.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Okay.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yesterday morning 9 o'clock it was 40 gms, then at 1:30 p.m. 20 gms, then at 2:45 p.m. 10 gms and then at 3 o'clock. So you see 1:30, 2:30 and 3 o'clock, within this one and half hours he passed stool three times. That I will show you later. These are the three-1:30, 2:30 and 3 o'clock.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Is the Stool watery?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yesterday his stool was not watery. It was okay. When he passed for the last time, it was watery. Before that the stool was okay. It came out solid.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Other things were okay?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. After decoction was given yesterday, when decoction was given again then it happened.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Did you give the medicine along with the decoction?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes, these are the medicines.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. This number 2 medicine is for morning and evening. With decoction.]

Bhaki-caru: [Transl. Decoction is not written here. No, no. Decoction is mentioned. He wrote it later and gave me.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Name is not written.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Look here, this is the decoction. I showed you yesterday evening.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. This one is decoction. And this is ark.]

[Bhakti-caru and Kaviraja assistant discuss medicines]

Tamala Krsna: Bhakti-caru, what is he going to give for stopping the stool?

Bhakti-caru: He's trying to figure out why he's passing stool, from the medicine.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Where was the pain?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Srila Prabhupada? Which side of the stomach you were having pain yesterday?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. On the left side.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. On the left side.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. On the left side. Okay. After that he passed stool, no?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes. After that he passed stool. About five, ten minutes after that he wanted to pass urine and at that time he also passed stool.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Alright. There is no need for this one. That one I will check.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Here is the number two medicine. I was supposed to give him this medicine two times yesterday. But I only gave him one time. In the evening I didn't get time to give him. He was sleeping and I didn't wake him up.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Do not disturb him. Whenever he takes rest, do not disturb him.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes. We never disturb him.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. The good sign is that he has no swelling in the hands.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yes.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. It should be like that. The quantity of urine should increase.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. The urine has increased.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. By that, the swelling will gradually become nil. Does he normally feel hungry?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. No. Not at all.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Not at all. The day before yesterday I prescribed ginger juice with honey. Do you remember?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. That was for cough.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Did you give him?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. No. The cough was less. So I didn't give him. He said if there is cough then you mix ginger juice and honey with the medicine and make it like a chutney. But it was not needed.

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. That is for motion. Ginger juice and honey to constipate.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Only ginger juice and honey, no medicine.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. No. No medicine. It will bring appetite. It will help digest the food. It is digestive.]

Bhavananda: Bhakti-caru, what is he saying? Anything?

Bhakti-caru: Yes.

Bhavananda: What?

Bhakti-caru: He's saying that for controlling the stool he's going to just give juice of ginger roots and honey mixed together, and just that. He's not going to give any other medicine for that.

Bhavananda: Gentle.

Tamala Krsna: That will stop the stool?

Bhakti-caru: He's saying yes. He doesn't want to change this medicine. He says that none of these medicines has any ingredient that might cause stool or might make him pass stool. And...

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Why is he having so much loose motion? What is the reason?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. So much old stool is stuck in his intestine. That is coming out with the twisting of bowels.]

Bhakti-caru: He's saying that passing stool is due to the old stool that was in the stomach. That is coming out. They are not laxatives, as such. Now I remember, he was telling also, that Shastriji, that Srila Prabhupada's intestine has become shrunk, dried up. Now they are slowly, slowly, they have got to become loose and loser, and this might be one thing, like the intestine is loosening, and that is causing the bowels to move.

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. When did it start? Yesterday?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Yesterday he passed four, five times.]

Tamala Krsna: So if that is true, then why should he stop the stool?

Bhakti-caru: No, I mean since it's causing inconvenience... So that... He's saying that these two agents are natural digesters, both ginger juice and honey.

Tamala Krsna: Natural digestives? So what does that have to do with stopping the stool?

Bhakti-caru: Anyway, since he said, we can just try it.

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. You said it is digestive.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Yes.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. So how will it stop the loose motion?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. It will not stop the stool. It will help digest the food. And when the food is properly digested the stool will become solid.

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. You are saying that the old stool is coming out. That is a good thing. Then why do you want to stop it?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. We don't want to stop it. But we want to make the liquid stool in to solid.]

Bhakti-caru: He's not actually bind..., causing it to stop. He said that it will... Now, last few times, Srila Prabhupada has passed very light stool and liquidish. So this thing, ginger root and honey, will make it sort of thicker.

Bhavananda: Less often.

Bhakti-caru: Yes.

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. While passing stool, does he sometimes feel that the stool is not coming out?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. That I have to ask him. Srila Prabhupada, Vaidyaji is asking that while passing stool, do you feel that the stool is stopping and not coming out freely?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. It used to happen like that before.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. It used to happen like that before.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. It doesn't happen now.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Does it happen now?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. Now it comes out in the liquid form.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Now he is having loose motion.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. So first he was having constipation and now the stool is coming out liquid. From tomorrow morning you give this.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Honey and this. No need to give from tonight.]

Bhavananda: Bhakti-caru-what?

Bhakti-caru: He's asking lastly whether, while passing stool, there's a feeling that the stomach has been cleared, kind of a constipated feeling, in spite of..., half way. Srila Prabhupada said that it was happening like that before, but last few times it was liquidish. It was watery stool, so there is no question of...

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. This medicine is mixed with different herbs.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. You have mixed together? Punarnava root is there.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Do you have?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. We have plenty here.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Is it white or red?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. What?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Do you pick the red ones or white ones?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. White ones. The other medicines he mixed together and made like a powder and boiled it.]

Tamala Krsna: Bhakti-caru, what's going on?

Bhakti-caru: He was wondering about one medicine that has some roots and herbs mixed together and boil it for a long time and just give the extract of that. He was wondering whether that medicine, how I have that medicine... There are different items in it. That vaidyaji already made, mixed it together. So he was wondering about that medicine, how it is, how do I keep it.

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Do you feel any urge for passing air Svamiji?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. No.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. The air is passing freely. It is controlled now.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. How is that?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Because the medicine is going on.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Today I have not given him medicine at noon time.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. The medicines which we have been continuing from before...]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. So the medicines should be continued.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Yes. Medicines should be continued as it is. This one you give tomorrow morning with ginger juice and honey.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. In empty stomach or by mixing it with the other medicines?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Empty stomach...]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. This one medicine I am giving already in the morning. Should I give that along with this medicine?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Yes. You give this with the other medicine mixed with ginger juice and honey. You supposed to mix it with decoction no? Now stop the decoction.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Should I stop the decoction?]

Kaviraja assistant: Hindi_ Yes. Give this medicine with honey and ginger juice only.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Alright. There will be no problem by stoping the decoction.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. No problem. You may give him one time in the evening.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. In the evening, okay. And the ark you gave, the ark, I should continue to give him that.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Yes. Use more sugar candy every day. Give glucose.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. I don't give him glucose. Because this medicine is bitter so I mix it with glucose.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. You mix honey with the medicine and give him. Honey is good for him.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Oh. Honey is good. So I will mix it with honey and ginger juice and give him. How much honey and how much ginger juice should I give?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Little, little you give, glucose sometimes constipates. May be one spoon, no half spoon of ginger juice and half spoon of honey. So that's all. I will leave now.]

Svarūpa Damodara: So he can come every day in the morning? He can come every day, like Prabhupada said?

Bhakti-caru: Yes, he's going to come.

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. To kaviraja, When will you come?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. I will come tomorrow ten o'clock.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Tomorrow ten o'clock. Okay.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. And remember what I told you. You should all pray all the time.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. That is going on 24 hours a day. There is kirtan going on.]

Bhakti-caru: He told me yesterday also that there should be continuous prayers.

Prabhupada: [Transl. When you go out do you charge any fee?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. When you go out to visit a patient, how much do you charge?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Like that I charge ten rupees.]

Tamala Krsna: How much?

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Ten rupees.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Eight rupees, ten rupees. Eight rupees, ten rupees, that is minimum charge. You get well that is my prayer. You do not worry at all. You be cured. That's all.]

Tamala Krsna: All right then.

[indistinct comments]

Prabhupada: He said that "I want to see you cured [indistinct]." Still, we can pay him. I'll do. And this... Send him car.

Tamala Krsna: Car? Or he can take rickshaw?

Svarūpa Damodara: Is it close from here?

Svarūpa Damodara: [Transl. Is it close from here?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. What?]

Svarūpa Damodara: [Transl. Your house?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. My house is at Rahgaji.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. How much rickshawala takes?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Rickshaw takes two rupees.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. So 1.50 rupees and your five rupees we will give you daily. You come.]

Svarūpa Damodar: [Transl. Take this ten rupees.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What time will you come?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. 10 o'clock]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Tomorrow morning 10 o'clock I will come.]

Svarūpa Damodara: [Transl. Morning 10 o'clock.]

Prabhupada: [Transl. So come morning 10 o'clock.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. I want to see the condition of the stool at that time.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Sample?]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Not sample. Just like that.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Oh. Just like that.]

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Also I will check his pulse and if the swelling is less from the night and his over all condition.]

Tamala Krsna: He can take a rickshaw, surely.

Kaviraja assistant: [Hindi] ?

Prabhupada: [Hindi, asks if rickshaw is all right] ?

Svarūpa Damodara: We'll do that, Srila Prabhupada.

[Hindi with kaviraja and Bhakti-caru]

Prabhupada: So you do... Account for that.

Tamala Krsna: Yes, I know. We'll give him.

[indistinct conversation about paying the kaviraja's assistant's fare to and from his home]

Tamala Krsna: And rickshaw he'll take back and forth? Rickshaw's one rupee each way.

Svarūpa Damodara: Prabhupada said give him five rupees.

Prabhupada: No, one rupee fifty...

[indistinct discussion about rickshaw prices]

Bhakti-caru: It's three rupees both ways, actually.

Tamala Krsna: That's all right, then. That's all right.

Kaviraja assistant: [Transl. Okay. See you again tomorrow.]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Srila Prabhupada, He is leaving.]

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