Room Conversation – January 25, 1971, Allahabad

Prabhupada: ...And Visnu mand... Temple we are protected from 12 sides.

Devotee: Prabhupada if you don't have any kind of tilaka can you put on with water.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Devotee: If you don't have tilaka.

Prabhupada: Why you? Why you will not have? You can have tilaka. Why water?

Devotee: I mean, [indistinct] that tilaka is washed over something.

Prabhupada: "Washed over," see again people. Just like ready [indistinct] powderpuff.

Devotees: [Laughs]

Prabhupada: Why don't you do that? Why don't you do like that? Eh? If they can carry. What is that?

Devotee: [indistinct] handbag.

Prabhupada: No there is a technical name.

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Madri? What is that name? You never. You have left it? All right. Param drstva nivartate [Bg 2.59].

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Hm?

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Anyway the ladies carry some bag.

Devotee: Lady purse.

Prabhupada: Eh? Lady purse. That's all right. So you carry something like that. And you know there is no [indistinct]. Just like we do sometimes, sometimes in aeroplane. You have to do that. Keep always a trademark. And our trade is Krsna business.

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh?

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Just like you have this.

Devotee: [indistinct] sandalwood or.

Prabhupada: No wood, any [indistinct].

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: It is called gopi-candana. Gopi-candana. This is available..

Indian: Available in the markets.

Prabhupada: Which is known as also Multan Muskit [?] So there is agreement, so keep a little small mirror. And a piece of. There is no…

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh?

Devotee: [indistinct].

Prabhupada: We are without…

Indian: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Oh yes. But. My Guru Maharaja without mirror he could, and what is there? We can do also. [indistinct].

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Yes. Eh? There is this, tilaka, ūrdhva-punḍra. This is for Vaisnavas or demigods. And this is for the demons.

Devotee: [indistinct] Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Demons. Because demons are, they are devotees just like Ravana. He was a great devotee of Lord Siva. You know that? But he was known as a demon. Is it not? Why? Ravana was a great devotee, Hiranyakasipu was a great devotee of Brahma but he was known as a demon. Is it not? Yes. Anyone who defies the authority of Visnu or the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is a demon. Visnu-bhakto bhaved daivaḥ [Padma Purana].

Those who are devotees of Visnu, they are devatas. And those who are opposite number, maybe devotees of anyone else. Very good man but he was a demon. Visnu-bhakto bhaved daiva asuras tad-viparayat, anyone who is not a Visnu bhakta, he is a demon. What is that?

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Yes, so if we tell the truth there is demoniac.

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Yes. So it doesn't matter whether a sannyasi. Ravana was also sannyasi his purpose was to kidnap Sita. Is it not? He was... He kidnaped Sita in the dress of a sannyasi. Therefore he is a demon.

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh? Sannyasi is mahatma a devotee. Mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim prakrtim asritaḥ bhajanty ananya-manaso [Bg 9.13]

[Hindi]

Indian: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh?

Indian: [Hindi]

Prabhupada: [Hindi]

Indian: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: He's demon. The demons also are sometimes are very powerful. They are very learned also sometimes. Just like Ravana was very learned, very powerful, but he was a demon. Kamsa was also very powerful, Hiranyakasipu was so powerful that all the demigods would faint by seeing his angry eyes.

Devotees: [Laughter]

Prabhupada: Prahlada Maharaja says like that. "My dear Lord, you are trying to give me material benefits, thank you very much. But I have seen my father was so materially powerful that simply by seeing his angry eyes the demigods would faint. But you have seen it, they want it. So what is the value of this, why you are offering this." So that...

What is the value of this material benefit, it is known to the devotees. Therefore it is said that they are not interested. They are simply interested in serving the lotus feet of Krsna. That is their only offer. They are no more interested in anything else. And that is mukti, when one is situated in that position that he has no more anything to do with anything else except Krsna. That is... he is immediately liberated.

Devotee: Srila Prabhupada which Canto is [indistinct] Ajamila

Prabhupada:Hm?

Devotee: Which Canto in Srimad Bhagavatam [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Arjuna?

Devotee: Ajamila [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Eh? fifth canto? What is his question?

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Speak one. Either you speak or they speak. Why you take two? What is the question? I cannot understand. What is that?

Devotee: He wants to know what Canto, what Ajamila story is from.?

Prabhupada: Oh, sixth Canto. That's all right. I could not follow the Ajamila pronunciation. Therefore I was puzzled.

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Yes... Now at college, there was one Mr. Carmichael. He was Scotsman. So all the Scotsman they used to say dyuty. Not duty. Buety, that is for beauty.

Devotees: [Laughter]

Prabhupada: So, one, one [Laughs] of our class friends, his name was Pramuka Mukarjay I remember. He was very cunning. So he stood up, "Sir, is that Scot's pronunciation?" He became very much angry. Mr. Carmichael. [Laughs] "Yes, that is English pronunciation." He said like. "That is correct English pronunciation." [indistinct].

Devotees: [Laughter]

Prabhupada: So this pronunciation, that trouble is our. There is a secular place I think they are different soldiers from different provinces. They were speaking and nobody could understand. There was a trouble. What is that book? King Lear or something. These difficulties are always there. Even in India the pronunciations are different... No one can tell you. [end]