Prabhupada: What you are doing?

Svarupa Damodara: With the press from the Indian Express and other newspapers. And also I went to the television and the All-India Radio for the engagement. And also I wanted to discuss with some of my members the immediate plan that we have. So I sent one to Bombay to organize a conference. So I'll try to cover this area very quickly, Agra, Delhi, and Punjab. I'm meeting a lot of scientists. And also I collected several copies of the newspaper, The Statesman. I went to the Statesman building, collected the newspaper coverings. How are you feeling, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: That kaviraja did not come?

Upendra: What happened? No one knows. They left. They say he left Calcutta at twelve o'clock flight.

Svarupa Damodara: I could have gone to the airport. Maybe they are coming tomorrow on the train, Taj Express?

Upendra: No, by air they came.

Svarupa Damodara: No, from Delhi. I thought that maybe he didn't know that, Adri...? If it starts from Calcutta at twelve o'clock, it should be arriving at Delhi about two o'clock.

Upendra: Then let's say one hour, then three to here.

Svarupa Damodara: There's a train at five o'clock that I came by, train, five o'clock. It's a very good train. Maybe they didn't know that train. It starts from Nizammudin Station. So if they're planning to come by train tomorrow, the Taj Express is at seven o'clock in the morning, arriving Mathura at nine o'clock.

Upendra: Someone could call Delhi.

Svarupa Damodara: I don't know whether they're in the temple or not. I think some of our men came from Delhi temple about four o'clock, arrived in the temple. [break]

Tamala Krsna: And we discussed a number of points. One thing is that I talked to him about Panchashil flat. So I explained to him that he should feel the responsibility for paying for the living there, as we have given him this nice place. So he's agreed to do that. And I told him that whatever he pays, the receipts should be in your name, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. Apparently the receipts have been issued in the name of M. M. De. So I told him don't do that, because if they get the receipts in their name then they become the tenant. I don't want that. They're living there as our guest, not as tenants. So he agreed to that. As soon as I mentioned it, he understood what I was talking about. M. M. is a little clever. So then I told him, however, that the permanent electricity was never hooked up. Permanent electricity line was never installed. So since that was an initial giving of the flat, I told him that if he paid for half of that, we would pay the other half. I said but first of all he has to pay and send me the receipt showing that he's paid. It's about 650 rupees.

Prabhupada: Six hundred and fifty?

Tamala Krsna: Half. It's thirteen hundred total. This is for permanent connection of electricity. The flat never has had a permanent connection. The whole building is not permanent. It's a temporary line. So all the...

Prabhupada: Yearly?

Tamala Krsna: No, no. Once and for all. It's a permanent installation of a permanent line. The yearly electricity bill he'll pay. That's his business. Then he seems to want to repay this amount that we're giving from the postal receipts. So I have no objection. If he repays, then we'll simply follow the original scheme and divide it up accordingly. Or he can divide it up. I don't know why he wants to pay it back. I don't know. I've explained to him that it's a donation. But anyway, it's better he pays it back, and then we can give it to each of the persons involved. I don't think there's any need of taking any loan agreement or anything, is there? Is there any need?

Prabhupada: I don't think so.

Tamala Krsna: I mean verbal agreement is enough, isn't it, in dealing with him? I would think so. I mean I thought it was sufficient if he agrees verbally. No contract or loan agreement. He wants to pay this money back by April. I didn't tell him he had to. I told him it was a donation. He seems to want to pay it back. So let him if he wants to. Then he wanted me to arrange, so I'm sending... I gave the receipts to him as you saw. I'm sending the letter... I'm sending a man to Delhi tomorrow to get a ticket for him, airline ticket.

Prabhupada: Where he is?

Tamala Krsna: He's gone to take his meals now. Then he's going to take rest, he said.

Prabhupada: And he has got the papers?

Tamala Krsna: He gave them back to me to keep in the almirah locked up. He said until he goes he wants me to keep them carefully. I said all right. And I'm getting him a ticket as well as sending the letters by special mail service to Bombay for Giriraja's signature, so that at least from our side there will not be any reason to delay. And when I showed him the letter that I had written to the bank, he was very satisfied. He could understand that there should be no difficulty now. He was quite confident after reading the letter. The letter is very clearly written, and with the power of attorney it's a complete document. I think everything was done all right. He seemed to be satisfied.

Prabhupada: So what about kaviraja? He might think it is a whimsical. And that was my last desire. You could not.

Tamala Krsna: What, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: That kaviraja, I wanted. Somehow or other, it has not happened.

Tamala Krsna: I don't feel that it's conclusively not happened.

Prabhupada: Yes. Simply, one after another, frustration.(?)

Tamala Krsna: Yes. First we had that Madhva..., not Madhva. Ramanuji came from Sri Rangaji temple, and he seemed to be a cheater. Then this one... We got this medicine from that sakta-kaviraja, and that medicine turned out to be poison. And now this kaviraja who's supposed to be coming from Calcutta, it's become a mystery where he is. The temple was called, and they said that they've left. They called twice to Calcutta, and they said they've left, and yet he's not here. I don't know what to make of it. Very puzzling situation. I think that if by tomorrow noon they have not arrived, then Satadhanya can go to Calcutta to bring them. If they're going to arrive, they'd arrive by tomorrow noon.

Svarupa Damodara: Yes, at the latest.

Tamala Krsna: At the latest absolutely. I mean, to me, for them to arrive by tomorrow noon is not... From the very beginning I would not have felt it was out of the ordinary.

Prabhupada: They said they have left!

Tamala Krsna: Yes. Still, whatever the reason is.

Prabhupada: You are not talking... Everything is being done by the same Satadhanya. (laughs)

Tamala Krsna: By the same what?

Prabhupada: Satadhanya.

Tamala Krsna: (laughter) Yeah, that's maybe what the problem is.

Prabhupada: And people are bluffing him, and he says...

Tamala Krsna: He's bluffing us. (laughs) He seems very sincere, though. It's hard not to believe him.

Prabhupada: That was my impression. But how is that? If you take leave, something.(?)

Tamala Krsna: It is a big mystery, this makara-dhvaja. It is like the immortal elixir, very hard to grasp. I think you described the flowers in the sky? There's that Bengali...

Bhakti-caru: Akasa-puspa?

Tamala Krsna: Yes. Well, one thing we could say in favor of the kaviraja delay in coming is that if he had come, then he might have given some medicine right away. But this way, your body has been given a chance to rest from that other thing that you had taken. By not taking medicine for two days now, it's good. It's made... The body will become a little more regular. If he had come, naturally he would have wanted to immediately prescribe some medicine. This is not bad, to give the body a rest after such strong medicine. How much did Prabhupada drink today? The stool-passing has stopped?

Bhakti-caru: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: Better that you don't drink any more tonight, Srila Prabhupada, except a little bit of misri-jala or some little bit. Then by tomorrow you should be more normal again. Anyway, our activities are going onparikrama, kirtana, Bhagavatam.

Prabhupada: Can I go to Calcutta?

Tamala Krsna: Well, I still feel a little confident that we could take you there, but... I mean just like we carry you in the palanquin and you don't have any difficulty, so airplane is like a big palanquin. I mean, you know, there's so many of us, eight or ten of us. I can't see that there could be any difficulty. Of course, I still think the kaviraja is going to come. I have faith in Satadhanya Maharaja. I think this is simply Krsna's test for him. I think the kaviraja will come. The nicest thing will be if the kaviraja treats you for some days, and you get some benefit, and then he takes you...

Prabhupada: (?) Yes.

Tamala Krsna: We go back with him to Calcutta and Mayapura. That would be very nice. Of course, he has to first of all come here. I've seen things like this happen before in India, Srila Prabhupada. I mean India is the kind of place where... It's difficult. You could drop out of communication for a day. It's very possible that that can happen. It's just a very strange kind of place to communicate and to travel in.

Bhakti-caru: Another thing is I think this noon flight is not a direct flight. It's a Kanadu(?) that hops, say, from Calcutta, Benares, Allahabad, Lucknow, Delhi.

Tamala Krsna: Yeah. So how many hours could that be?

Bhakti-caru: Five, six hours. Takes a long time. And it's not as fast as Boeing.

Tamala Krsna: That means it would arrive at 6:30 or 7:00. I think that by tomorrow noon, if they didn't come, then we would have to say that the matter has become hopeless for them coming. And really it's a fact, Srila Prabhupada, that you've been resting today without taking any medicine is not a bad thing.

Bhakti-caru: And the passing stool has stopped.

Tamala Krsna: Yeah, that stopped. That's the main thing. That was the disturbance. The stool was passing. So many people are coming to the temple here, Srila Prabhupada. Many pilgrims. The temple is full of people all the time. Lots of pilgrims coming. Devotees were saying that in other temples there's not so much activity. Krsna-Balarama are attracting all of the people of the land. Everyone is attracted to Them. But it seems like Radha-Syamasundara are equally popular. People like Radha-Krsna very much, and especially in Vrndavana. But Krsna-Balarama is unique. I hear them exclaiming. They are at once surprised and pleased to see the two brothers together.

Bhakti-caru: And the srngara is so unique here. It's the best.

Tamala Krsna: Yes, everyone says the srngara is the best. But for flowers we have not yet the best. So we have to make that. Bhavananda Maharaja was suggesting a program, Srila Prabhupada. He was suggesting that in that open land on the side of the Gurukula, that we could build a prasadam pavilion, and we could serve the public every day free prasadam at noon time. That might become very popular in Vrndavana. Dal and capatis. All the sadhus would come. I don't know if it's a good idea, but he was suggesting.

Prabhupada: Good idea. Very good idea.

Nayanabhirama: We used to serve them khicuri in the morning. Then they discontinued.

Tamala Krsna: I mean so many pilgrims come, and there are already so many sadhus living in Vrndavana. This would make our temple very, very popular additionally, even more popular than now. So many pilgrims come. I see them. And they're farmers and things, you know. And if we gave that, probably they would be inclined, even some of the farmers would bring a little of their..., you know, thinking to offer something also to the Deities, because they would see that we're giving things.

Prabhupada: If you distribute prasadam, there will be no scarcity of participants. Bhata ei kake ara.(?)

Tamala Krsna: What does that mean, Srila Prabhupada? What does that?

Bhakti-caru: "If you scatter rice, then there's no dearth of crows." (laughs)

Tamala Krsna: "No dearth of crows."

Svarupa Damodara: They'll come by the bunches.

Tamala Krsna: It seems like there's a Bengali proverb for practically everything, Srila Prabhupada. (laughter)

Prabhupada: Ektu bhauma bhauma desa tabu range bara.(?) Explain this.

Bhakti-caru: That "Bengal has been divided into so many different parts, but still it's full of rasas and humor."

Prabhupada: Bengali people are easy-going. So therefore they can manufacture all these humors. (laughter)

Tamala Krsna: Would your Guru Maharaja tell a lot of Bengali proverbs, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Hm. I learned from him.

Tamala Krsna: You once said that he liked you very much, 'cause you were also a Calcutta boy, Calcutta born. [break]

Prabhupada: Sohar(?) has money.

Tamala Krsna: Actually I started to have a talk with him about the...

Prabhupada: You write. You are intelligent. I cannot do anything. I only want...

Tamala Krsna: Yes, that point.

Prabhupada: (crying) I am very poor man, and somehow or other, I built up. And still in my...

Kaviraja (1): (Hindi or Bengali)

Prabhupada: Aiye. Aiye. (Hindi)

Guest (2): What is the actual problems?

Tamala Krsna: The problems are that... The biggest problem...

Prabhupada: (Bengali)

Tamala Krsna: Where is the urine report? Where is Bhakti-caru?

Bhakti-caru: Since when is that dropsy?

Tamala Krsna: The dropsy is more than one year.

Prabhupada: No, one year... Less.

Tamala Krsna: Well, I mean, I asked Hari-sauri. He said that that swelling has been there for a long time, Srila Prabhupada. I've seen it for... (Hindi)

Bhakti-caru: Last three, four days, any blood in the urine?

Tamala Krsna: No.

Kaviraja (1): Prasadam quantity... (Hindi)

Tamala Krsna: Give him the book. He'll see the quantity.

Kaviraja (1): (Hindi)

Bhavananda: Tell him when the urine was bloody...

Bhakti-caru: (Hindi) That was about ten days back.

Bhavananda: And tell him that Prabhupada took allopathic medicine last week. He asked for information.

Bhakti-caru: Let him see it first. (Hindi)

Prabhupada: Who has come with him?

Satadhanya: This is Adri-dharana dasa, Srila Prabhupada. I told you about him, that he's collecting very big in Calcutta, making many members. So he has come with the kaviraja personally.

Prabhupada: He belongs to which province?

Adri-dharana: I was born in Bombay, but my parents are from Sindh.

Tamala Krsna: But he's born in Bombay.

Bhakti-caru: And he joined in Florida, yes? (Hindikaviraja) About six months back we had a report.

Tamala Krsna: Urine specimen report?

Bhakti-caru: Yes. This is the... He's asking about that time, four or five months ago.

Bhakti-caru: This one is from... Yes, this is very recent.

Tamala Krsna: It's better.

Kaviraja (1): (Hindi)

Bhakti-caru: Pressure is good. When Dr. Ghosh came, that other Dr. Ghosh came... (Hindi) ...pressure, 180 and 80. (Hindi) He's saying that in this condition, Prabhupada can't take makara-dhvaja. That any medicine that contains mercury and arsenic is poison to him.

Bhavananda: That's what Prabhupada said.

Tamala Krsna: That is a fact. He found that to be true.

Kaviraja (1): (Hindi)

Prabhupada: (Hindilong conversation with kaviraja)

Bhakti-caru: (Hindi) (end)