Room Conversation

October 8, 1977, Vrndavana
Tamala Krsna: ...reading of your chart for free, Srila Prabhupada. The man is a devotee. I thought it would be good to read to you. His name is Gopesh Kumar Ojah, and his son's name is Asutosh Ojah.
Brahmananda: He asked for Prabhupada's blessings.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. He wanted your blessings. He says... This is a very detailed chart he did. All the calculations are given. He said Sukra as Muntesa,(?) Varsa-lagnesa,(?) has no directional strength. Therefore the solar return is not good. The lord of the sixth house is conjunct, mangala, not good. The following days are not auspicious: the 27th to the 28th of September, the 24th to the 25th of October, the 20th, 21st, and 22nd of November, and 3rd and 4th of December. He says, "Srila Prabhupadaji is at present undergoing the fag end of Ketu Mahadasa, and it will last until the 13th of January, 1978. Ketu is in the eight house."
Brahmananda: Means death.
Tamala Krsna: The eight house is called the house of death. He says, "Ketu is in the eight house with the sun, which is the lord of the eighth house, and Krusu, the lord of the twelfth and third houses. They are all in the eighth house. Mercury in Ketu started from 16th January." He says, " Budha is the satesa also, disease. Sani has gone to the eighth house, which is the house of death, from the 7th September." That's the day you had your operation. "Sani as lagnesa in the eighth house and the transit over Jupiter and Ketu. The negative effect continues throughout October 1977, November 1977, and from the first of December, 1977, Saturn becomes almost stationary and becomes more malefic." Saturn becomes even worse. "In January 1978 until April 1978 it again traverses the same degrees and becomes stagnant on Jupiter and Ketu in the last week of February. The native has..."
Prabhupada: January '77 we have passed.
Tamala Krsna: January '78, Srila Prabhupada. It says that you're supposed to have lived for seventy-five years, but everything beyond that was an extension by Krsna.
Prabhupada: Where is...
Tamala Krsna: Juice? They're just making it, Srila Prabhupada. It says here that "The moon is in the eighth house, which is very bad. The patient may not recover." Then he gives various planets which are also not well aligned. He says the conjunction of another two planets is very bad. "Hospitalization and ill health are intensified in the present year. The days which are not good is when the moon passes in the 22nd to the 23rd of naksatra, which are 27th to the 28th of September," that's already passed, "The 24th to the 25th of October, then some days in November and December." He says, "Surya will apply for Rahu on Saturday, the 8th of October." That's today. This is very bad, this day. Today is Ekadasi. "Surya will apply for Rahu. Brashna, Lagnesh, Mangal, in the eighth house. The medicine will not give any relief. The native will make a fight for life as Surya-Mangal are good friends, and Saturn, or Sani, and Sukra are enemies. There is no benefics in the nine, six, eleven and three. Mangal indicates the effects of Sakini. There is difficulty in recovery. The seventh dasa starts on the 13th of January, 1978." It says, "We have noticed that the periods are all negative until March-April 1978, and the main trouble was due to Sani. We suggested that blue sapphire be tried, and he should keep it on. Hospitalization and travels are indicated." Then he says the worst days of all for you are today and tomorrow. He says it is very negative, as well as the llth, which is mixed. But these are all very inauspicious days. The 4th, 5th, 8th, 9th, and 11th of October. He says "The only remedy in this case is to do maha-mrtyum-jaya japa and havana. Previously also, now also, we have recommended Siva. Lord Siva is the presiding Deity of Sani, and with this, the native will be able to overcome disease and life span increases."
Hari-sauri: That's the mantra he gave to me.
Tamala Krsna: Astrologically it is up to the eighty-one years, four months, approximately. Says, "Japa and havana."
Prabhupada: Chant Hare Krsna. It is finished. So where is juice? You're asking him for juice.
Tamala Krsna: Grape juice.
Prabhupada: You sit down and chant.
Tamala Krsna: I think that's why you're having difficulty this morning now also. These days now are very difficult. The only reason I felt to read this is this man is not trying to make money. He did not charge anything. I didn't feel that he was simply doing it as a business.
Prabhupada: It is not prepared? And you were asking me if you can...
Tamala Krsna: When I asked you was... You took rest again, Srila Prabhupada, so I couldn't make it at that time. We started it at the bathing time.
Prabhupada: How long it takes?
Tamala Krsna: It shouldn't take this long. (pause)
Prabhupada: More. (pause)
Tamala Krsna: I'll rearrange it, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: I want to lie down.
Hari-sauri: Come around this side of Srila Prabhupada. I'm going to take these clothes away.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada? Do you want a little more juice? Sit you up for a minute just to drink this juice? You want some more now, or a little later?
Prabhupada: Later.
Tamala Krsna: Okay. (soft kirtana starts) [break]
Prabhupada: No luxuries. Live very simple life and you save time for chanting Hare Krsna.
Hamsaduta: Yes, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: That is my desire. Don't waste time for bodily comforts. You have got this body. You have to eat something. You have to cover yourself. So produce your own food and produce your own cloth. Don't waste time for luxury, and chant Hare Krsna. This is success of life. In this way organize as far as possible, either in Ceylon or in Czechoslovakia, wherever... Save time. Chant Hare Krsna. Don't be allured by the machine civilization.
Hamsaduta: Yes, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: This is soul-killing civilization, this kind way of life, especially European countries. Anywhere you can inhabit it. It is not very difficult. A cottage; you can produce your own food anywhere. Am I right?
Hamsaduta: Yes, Prabhupada. We will do it.
Prabhupada: And money, spend for Krsnafor Krsna's palace, for Krsna's temple, for Krsna's worship, gorgeous, as gorgeously as... Not for false... This is the human civilization. And to organize this, varnasrama will help you to divide the societybrahmana, ksatriya, vaisyaas there is division in the body. That will help. Don't waste human form of body for sense gratification. I wanted to introduce this. Now I have given you ideas. You can do it. You are all intelligent. For Caitanya Mahaprabhu's para-upakara... So you do good to others. Not exploit others. Any human being who has been bestowed by this body has the capacity to chant Hare Krsna. Give them chance and make situation favorable. Is that clear?
Hamsaduta: Yes, it's clear, Prabhupada. You have made everything very clear.
Prabhupada: Passed stool.
Hamsaduta: Yes, Srila Prabhupada. [break] (kirtana)
Prabhupada: Nava-yogendra, organize Africa and South Africa. They are also gradually taking. So who is going there?
Brahmananda: Jayatirtha.
Prabhupada: And Tosana Krsna?
Brahmananda: No, not Tosana. In South Africa?
Prabhupada: Who took me to South Africa?
Prabhupada: No, before that, when I went.
Prabhupada: Yes. Try to bring him back. He is very competent. So jointly organize South Africa, both Europeans, Americans, Africans. Tulasi dasa is very competent also. United Nations under Caitanya Mahaprabhu's flag, do everywhere. It is possible. Always that is simply a false attempt. This is the real.
Brahmananda: You said that when you first came to New York. You went to the United Nations. The very first day I came to the kirtana there in New York. The next day you went for that peace vigil outside the United Nations, and you were chanting Hare Krsna and saying that this Krsna consciousness is the only method for making United Nations.
Prabhupada: That is fact. Asraya lana paile, krsna nahi tare tyaje, ara sama mare aphala.(?) If we try under the protection of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, things will be successful. Others, they'll simply waste time and be disappointed and change his body and suffer. Today is Ekadasi?
Hamsaduta: Today is Ekadasi.
Prabhupada: Two songs especially, Cintamani-prakara-sadmasu, and Hare Krsna maha-mantra, should be continued as well as any song, especially, I mean to say, here in this room.
Tamala Krsna: You want to drink something now, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: When I shall want, you will give me caranamrta.
Tamala Krsna: We can give you some now. Would you like it now?
Prabhupada: I am not thirsty now. But caranamrta, little can be given also in the..., no harm. But don't take me, hospital.
Tamala Krsna: No, Prabhupada. Under no circumstance. Even if you are unconscious, we will simply chant.
Prabhupada: Yes. I am quite all right here.
Tamala Krsna: That we can see.
Prabhupada: I came back from London on account of here in this hospital I... (microphone moves) Oh... Be very careful. [break] (kirtana)
Prabhupada: So how many critical days he has...?
Tamala Krsna: What, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Critical days.
Tamala Krsna: How many critical days. Today, tomorrow, and then on the eleventh, three days from today. Today, tomorrow, then one day is not so bad, and then the next day after that becomes bad again.
Prabhupada: In this way how long prolong?
Tamala Krsna: Well, those three days are the worst. Then the whole month is not very good. In fact, for another two or three months it's not very good. But these two or three days mentioned, they are very bad.
Prabhupada: And then again...?
Tamala Krsna: Then there are some critical days in the following month. At the end of this month there's a couple of critical days, and then in the next month there's two or three, and in the following month there are some. The whole period is not very bright-looking.
Prabhupada: Hm.
Tamala Krsna: I think this program of kirtana and just taking very little drink whenever you are thirsty, this is the right program, because I am seeing how peacefully you are resting, more than in many days. And now you should not struggle so hard. If Krsna wishes, then He will do. We are prepared to stay here and sing for you for one year in a row.
Prabhupada: That's nice.
Tamala Krsna: It is our greatest pleasure to be with you and sing for you. Actually, I was thinking how your whole life is so perfect, Srila Prabhupada. You have so many nice disciples, nice sons, and they are all gathered here to be with you, and everything is perfect by our chanting.
Prabhupada: Yes. More chanting.
Tamala Krsna: Shall we chant some more?
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. (kirtana starts-Govindam prayers)
Tamala Krsna: I don't think you're feeling any pain. No. Are you thirsty at all? So today, tomorrow, those are critical days. And then one day lapse, and then another critical day. Generally the whole month is not very good, this month, next month, and one after, not very good. Of course, the best place to be is Vrndavana, and the best association is Krsna's devotees, and you're under the protection of Krsna-Balarama. So there can't really be anything inauspicious in such a situation. Srila Prabhupada? We were noticing that your bed is facing... Your bed is facing more or less north. So we were wondering whether we should turn it to face east, which would be in the direction of the Deities, Krsna-Balarama. We could turn your bed just like this, as if we were turning you. We would keep you in the bed. We can pick up the bed and make it to face with your head towards Krsna-Balarama, which would be east. You have any objection? This is north.
Prabhupada: There is no objection, but which is north?
Tamala Krsna: You are now facing north, Srila Prabhupada. No, your head is north. This way is south, and this way is north. So this way will be east, and this is the way of Krsna-Balarama. So if you like, we can face you east. I think you usually like to lie eastwards. See, 'cause we moved your bed in here it was like this. Otherwise normally you sleep with your head that direction. Should we do that? We can move you right now. Then we'll chant some more? Okay. [break] You want to see that Krsna dasa from Radha-kunda? The panda. The man who takes people around. Not Niskincana Babaji from Mayapura.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: That one, the one who always laughs a lot?
Prabhupada: Who comes to me.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. Your Godbrother. Oh, you want to see him. Okay. I'll make sure that he comes. Srila Prabhupada? You know how you were asking me about what those dates were? So I told you that today and tomorrow is difficult days. Then the day after that is not a difficult day, and it's also Govardhana-puja. Then the day after that becomes difficult again for one day. But the day in between, Govardhana-puja, is not considered to be a difficult day. (some discussion with Hari-sauri) It's the wrong date, Srila Prabhupada. It's not Govardhana-puja . Our information was wrong. So we'll get Krsna dasa? Okay. (kirtana starts) Srila Prabhupada, have you been thinking about parikrama? (aside:) Let him chant.
Hari-sauri: Softly.
Prabhupada: Do you think in this stage is it possible?
Tamala Krsna: I think it would be difficult. Better that we go parikraming around our temple, Krsna-Balarama Mandira. That's a little easier. Don't you think that's better? If you get a little stronger, then it may be possible. That will depend on Krsna. So Krsna dasa, we should bring him here. Anyone else you want to see? Narayana Maharaja? Yes. We went to see him just to inquire about the necessary ceremony, and he gave us instruction. I sent Bhakti-caru Maharaja and Bhakti-prema Maharaja, and they wrote down everything. But Narayana Maharaja was very concerned. He said he's going to try to come to see you tomorrow. That's all right, isn't it? So Krsna dasa can be called for. Anytime? Okay. He stays at Radha-kunda? We'll inquire... Does he stay at the Gaudiya Matha here?
Prabhupada: Hm.
Tamala Krsna: He does. In Vrndavana. Okay.
Prabhupada: Narayana Maharaja comes; then everything is all right.
Tamala Krsna: So if I call Narayana Maharaja, is there any need for Krsna dasa to come?
Prabhupada: He can arrange.
Tamala Krsna: Narayana Maharaja. Yes, actually he wanted to do that. He gave us instructions, but he also wanted to take part. So better I call Narayana Maharaja than Krsna dasa? Okay. I'll send a car for him tomorrow morning. He was saying he was thinking to come tomorrow, so I'll send a car and say "Prabhupada requests if it's convenient that you can come this morning." That'll be all right? Jaya Srila Prabhupada. [break]
Prabhupada: When you have come back?
Bhagavata: I just came just now, a half hour before, from America.
Upendra: And he's real skinny, Srila Prabhupada. He's skinny.
Prabhupada: Why?
Bhagavata: Because I am following caturmasya. I have reduced to 160 pounds. Before I was 260. Now I am 160.
Prabhupada: Very nice.
Bhagavata: Shall I chant?
Prabhupada: Yes. (kirtana begins) (Bengali conversation) Who is here?
Prabhupada: Have kirtana. (pause) So after my passing away, these, all the temples, they should receive some money for holding utsava.
Tamala Krsna: In your honor.
Prabhupada: Yes, in the temple.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, Prabhupada.
Gurukrpa: Jaya Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Who is he?
Tamala Krsna: Gurukrpa Swami.
Prabhupada: Go on kirtana. (kirtana begins)
Tamala Krsna: Closed? Open? [break]
Prabhupada: (Bengali)
Bhakti-caru: (Bengali) [break]
Hari-sauri: Bhavananda? Prabhupada said that somebody was saying that Bhavananda was coming.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. Bhakti-caru telegrammed to Bhavananda and Jayapataka and Satadhanya Swami to come immediately. That all right? [break]
Bhakti-caru: (Bengali)
Prabhupada: (Bengali conversation)
Tamala Krsna: He wants to see a panditaji from there. So can you get that panditaji? You want to see him tonight, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: (Bengali) And Narayana Maharaja, he'll come tomorrow?
Tamala Krsna: He'll come when we... Tonight could he come? You think that's too late?
Bhakti-caru: I think he'll come, if we go and pick him up.
Tamala Krsna: If we pick him up, he might come tonight.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Tamala Krsna: If we go just now with the car, Bhakti-caru goes just now with the car, he may come tonight, Narayana Maharaja.
Prabhupada: Hm. Go on, kirtana. [break]
Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada. Shall we put a little fan on? Little bit? [break]
Prabhupada: (Bengali) (Bengali conversation with Godbrothers, followed by kirtana, Sri Rupa Manjari Pada) Where is Tamala?
Hari-sauri: Get Tamala Krsna. He's just coming, Srila Prabhupada. He's in the other room.
Prabhupada: (Bengali conversation)
Hari-sauri: Jaya Srila Prabhupada. Tamala Krsna.
Prabhupada: You have consulted with Narayana Maharaja?
Tamala Krsna: Yes. This morning Bhakti-caru Swami, Bhakti-prema Swami and Sridhara Swami went to see him, and Narayana Maharaja described the ceremony for the departure of a Vaisnava, great Vaisnava soul.
Narayana Maharaja: (Bengali)
Prabhupada: (Bengali) ...entrance right side?
Tamala Krsna: The entrance on the left side entering... Looking towards the Deity, it's the left side. In other words, when you come into the temple it's on left side. There's a big open area. (Bengali)
Tamala Krsna: It's on the same side as the vyasasana.
Prabhupada: Ah, yes.
Tamala Krsna: Faces east.
Prabhupada: Puspa, Mayapure, flower.
Tamala Krsna: To Mayapura.
Prabhupada: (Bengali)
Narayana Maharaja: You should call me, and I will come.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. He described the entire ceremony in detail, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: So he knows. When you are ready(?), let him have it. (Bengali)
Narayana Maharaja: (Bengali) You have fulfilled all, everything. (Bengali)
Prabhupada: Don't fight amongst yourselves. I have given the explanation, my will. Execute like that.
Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: And then everything will be. They'll guide. Then what there is. (Bengali) Ekadasi?
Prabhupada: (Bengali) (Hamsaduta chants) (end)

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