Room Conversation Astrologer's Report – October 8, 1977, Vṛndāvana
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771008R2-Vrindavan [92:37 Minutes]
Don't waste time for bodily comforts
Brahmananda: He asked for Prabhupada's blessings.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. He wanted your blessings. He says... This is a very detailed chart he did. All the calculations are given. He said Sukra as Muntesa,[?] Varsa-lagnesa,[?] has no directional strength. Therefore the solar return is not good. The lord of the sixth house is conjunct, maṅgala, not good. The following days are not auspicious: the 27th to the 28th of September, the 24th to the 25th of October, the 20th, 21st and 22nd of November, and 3rd and 4th of December. He says, "Srila Prabhupadaji is at present undergoing the fag end of Ketu Mahadasa, and it will last until the 13th of January, 1978. Ketu is in the eighth house."
Brahmananda: Means death.
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Tamala Krsna: This eighth house is called the house of death. He says, "Ketu is in the eighth house with the sun, which is the lord of the eighth house, and Krusu, the lord of the twelfth and third houses." They are all in the eighth house. "Mercury in Ketu started from 16th January." He says, "Budha is the satesa also, disease. Sani has gone to the eighth house, which is the house of death, from the 7th September." That's the day you had your operation. "Sani as lagnesa in the eighth house and the transit over Jupiter and Ketu. The negative effect continues throughout October 1977, November 1977, and from the first of December, 1977, Saturn becomes almost stationary and becomes more malefic." Says Saturn becomes even worse. "In January 1978 until April 1978 it again traverses the same degrees and becomes stagnant on Jupiter and Ketu in the last week of February. The native has..."
Prabhupada: January '77 we have passed.
Prabhupada: Where is...
Tamala Krsna: Juice? They're just making it, Srila Prabhupada. It says here that "The moon is in the eighth house, which is very bad. The patient may not recover." Then he gives various planets which are also not well aligned. He says hospitals... He says the conjunction of another two planets is very bad. "Hospitalization and ill health are intensified in the present year. The days which are not good is when the moon passes in the 22nd to the 23rd of naksatra, which are 27th to the 28th of September," that's already passed, "the 24th to the 25th of October, then some days in November and December." He says, "Surya will apply for Rahu on Saturday, the 8th of October." That's today. This is very bad, this day. Today is Ekadasi. "Surya will apply for Rahu. Brashna, Lagnesh, Mangal, in the eighth house. The medicine will not cure..., will not give any relief. The native will make a fight for life as Surya-Mangal are good friends, and Saturn, or Sani, and Sukra are enemies. There is no benefics in the nine, six, eleven and three. Mangal indicates the effects of Sakini. There is difficulty in recovery. The seventh dasa starts on the 13th of January, 1978." It says, "We have noticed that the periods are all negative until March-April 1978, and main trouble was due to Sani. We have suggested that blue sapphire be tried, and he should keep it on. Hospitalization and travels are indicated." [background discussion while Brahmananda checks calendar] Then he says the worst days of all for you are today and tomorrow. He says it is very negative, as well as the 11th, which is mixed. But these are all very inauspicious days. The 4th of October, the 5th of October, the 8th and 9th of October, and the 11th of October. He says, "The only remedy in this case is to do maha-mrtyum-jaya japa and havana. Previously also, now also, we have recommended Siva. Lord Siva is the presiding deity of Sani, and with this, the native will be able to overcome disease and life span increases."
Prabhupada: Chant Hare Krsna. It is finished. So where is juice? You're asking him for juice.
Prabhupada: You sit down and chant.
Prabhupada: It is not prepared? And you were asking me if you can...
Prabhupada: How long it takes?
Prabhupada: More. [pause]
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. I want to lie down.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Prabhupada: Later.
Prabhupada: No luxuries. Live very simple life and you save time for chanting Hare Krsna.
Hamsaduta: Yes, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: That is my desire. Don't waste time for bodily comforts. You have got this body. You have to eat something. You have to cover yourself. So produce your own food and produce your own cloth. Don't waste time for luxury, and chant Hare Krsna. This is success of life. In this way organize as far as possible, either in Ceylon or in Czechoslovakia, wherever. Save time. Chant Hare Krsna. Don't be allured by the machine civilization.
Hamsaduta: Yes, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: This is soul-killing civilization, this kind of way of life, especially European countries. Anywhere you can inhabit it. It is not very difficult. A cottage; you can produce your own food anywhere. Am I right?
Hamsaduta: Yes, Prabhupada. We will do it.
Prabhupada: And money, spend for Krsna-for Krsna's palace, for Krsna's temple, for Krsna's worship, gorgeous, as gorgeously as... Not for false... This is the human civilization. And to organize this, varnasrama will help you to divide the society-brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya-as there is division in the body. That will help. Don't waste human form of body for sense gratification. I wanted to introduce this. Now I have given you ideas. You can do it. You are all intelligent. For Caitanya Mahaprabhu's para-upakara. So you do good to others, not exploit others. Any human being who has been bestowed by this body has the capacity to chant Hare Krsna. Give them chance and make situation favorable. Is that clear?
Hamsaduta: Yes, it's clear, Prabhupada. You have made everything very clear. [pause]
Prabhupada: Passed stool.
Brahmananda: Jayatirtha.
Prabhupada: And Tosana Krsna?
Brahmananda: No, not Tosana. In South Africa?
Prabhupada: Who took me to South Africa?
Prabhupada: No, before that, when I went.
Brahmananda: Yes.
Prabhupada: United Nation under Caitanya Mahaprabhu's flag, do everywhere. It is possible. Always that is simply a false attempt. This is the real.
Brahmananda: You said that when you first came to New York. You went to the United Nations. The very first day I came to the kirtana there in New York, the next day you went for that peace vigil outside the United Nations, and you were chanting Hare Krsna and saying that this Krsna consciousness is the only method for making United Nations.
Hamsaduta: Today is Ekadasi.
Prabhupada: When I shall want, you will give me caranamrta.
Prabhupada: I am not thirsty now. But caranamrta, little can be given also in the..., no harm. But don't take me to the hospital.
Prabhupada: Yes. I am quite all right here.
Prabhupada: I came back from London on account of here in this hospital I... [microphone moves] Oh... Be very careful. [break] [kirtana]
Prabhupada: So how many critical days he has...?
Prabhupada: Critical days.
Prabhupada: In this way how long prolong?
Prabhupada: And then again...?
Prabhupada: Hmm.
Tamala Krsna: I think this program of kirtana and just taking very little drink whenever you are thirsty, this is the right program, because I am seeing how peacefully you are resting, more than in many days. And now you should not struggle so hard. If Krsna wishes, then He will do. We are prepared to stay here and sing for you for one year in a row.
Prabhupada: That's nice.
Prabhupada: Yes. More chanting.
Tamala Krsna: I don't think you're feeling any pain. No. Are you thirsty at all? So today, tomorrow, those are critical days. And then one day lapse, and then another critical day. Generally the whole month is not very good. This month, next month, and one after, not very good. Of course, the best place to be is Vrndavana, and the best association is Krsna's devotees, and you're under the protection of Krsna-Balarama. So there can't really be anything inauspicious in such a situation.
Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada? We were noticing that your bed is facing... [aside: Which way is it facing?] Your bed is facing more or less north. So we were wondering whether we should turn it to face east, which would be in the direction of the Deities, Krsna-Balarama. We could turn your bed just like this, as if we were turning you. We would keep you in the bed. We can pick up the bed and make it to face with your head towards Krsna-Balarama, which would be east. You have any objection? [aside:] This is north.
Prabhupada: There is no objection, but which is north?
Tamala Krsna: North is... You are now facing north, Srila Prabhupada. No, your head is north. This way is south, and this way is north. So this way will be east, and this is the way of Krsna-Balarama. So if you like, we can face you east. I think you usually like to lie eastwards. See, 'cause we moved your bed in here it was like this. Otherwise, normally you sleep with your head that direction. Should we do that? We can move you right now. Then we'll chant some more? Okay. [break] Srila Prabhupada, you want to see that Krsna dasa from Radha-kunda? The panda. The man who takes people around. Not Krsna dasa..., not Niskincana Babaji from Mayapur.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Who comes to me.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. Your Godbrother. Oh, you want to see him. Okay. I'll make sure that he comes. Srila Prabhupada? You know how you were asking me about what those dates were? So I told you that today and tomorrow is difficult days. Then the day after that is not a difficult day, and it's also Govardhana-puja. Then the day after that becomes difficult again for one day. But the day in between, Govardhana-puja, is not considered to be a difficult day. [some discussion with Hari-sauri about dates] It's the wrong date, Srila Prabhupada. It's not Govardhana-puja. Our information was wrong. So we'll get Krsna dasa? Okay. [kirtana starts] Srila Prabhupada, have you been thinking about parikrama?
Prabhupada: Do you think in this stage is it possible?
Tamala Krsna: I think it would be difficult. Better that we go parikram-ing around our temple, Krsna-Balarama Mandira. That's a little easier. Don't you think that's better? If you get a little stronger, then it may be possible. That will depend on Krsna. So Krsna dasa, we should bring him here. Anyone else you want to see? Narayana Maharaja? Yes. We went to see him just to inquire about the necessary ceremony, and he gave us instruction. I sent Bhakti-caru Maharaja and Bhakti-prema Maharaja, and they wrote down everything. But Narayana Maharaja was very concerned. He said he's going to try and come to see you tomorrow. That's all right, isn't it? So Krsna dasa can be called for? Anytime? Okay. He stays at Radha-kunda? We'll inquire from the Gaudiya... Does he stay at the Gaudiya Matha here?
Prabhupada: Hmm.
Prabhupada: He can arrange.
Tamala Krsna: Narayana Maharaja. Yes, actually he wanted to do that. He gave us instructions, but he also wanted to take part. So better I call Narayana Maharaja than Krsna dasa? Okay. I'll send a car for him tomorrow morning. He was saying he was thinking to come tomorrow, so I'll send a car and say, "Prabhupada requests if it's convenient that you can come this morning." That'll be all right? Jaya Srila Prabhupada. [break]
Prabhupada: When you have come back?
Bhagavat: I just came just now, a half hour before, from America.
Prabhupada: Why?
Bhagavat: Because I am following caturmasya. I have reduced to 160 pounds. Before I was 260. Now I am 160.
Prabhupada: Very nice.
Bhagavata: Shall I chant?
Prabhupada: Yes. [kirtana begins] [Transl. Any moment I may have to leave my body. So can you manage everything?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes.]
Bhagatji: [Transl. By your blessings everything will be done perfectly.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. One thing, especially after my dissapearence, all the respectable persons should together hold festival in all the temples, and for that purpose whatever money is required, should be given.]
Prabhupada: Hun?
Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes. We will have in our temple with our own expense. Visvambhara Gosvami, Rama Dasa Sastri….]
Prabhupada: Who is here?
Prabhupada: Yes, in the temple.
Gurukrpa: Jaya Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Who is he?
Prabhupada: [Transl. Do you think everything will go on nicely?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. It appears that everything will go alright.]
Bhagatji: [Transl. Vrndavana? My heartiest desire is that everying will go on nicely. If all the devotees peacefully and co-operatively work together it will be nice.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Okay.]
Bhagatji: [Transl. As long as there is no friction among each other.] [break]
Hari-sauri: Bhavananda? Prabhupada said that somebody was saying that Bhavananda was coming.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. Bhakti-caru telegrammed to Bhavananda and Jayapataka and Satadhanya Swami to come immediately. That all right? [break]
Prabhupada: [Transl. He did not come?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Panditji?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Where did you go?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. You didn't see Panditji there?]
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Prabhupada: Hmm. Go on, kirtana. [break]
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Prabhupada: [Transl. Prabhupada had a desire that you preach in Europe, America and so on. And another desire he had that all of you preach together.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. That I tried to my best capacity. I was somewhat successful. So my experience is that if we combine together and preach prthivite ache yata there is a great possibility of fulfilling the prediction of Mahaprabhu. I am at the fag end of my life. My wish is that all of you my godbrothers excuse me. While preaching one has to argue and counter argue. You all forgive such offense. All my godbrothers forgive me. And another thing is after my departure there should be a festival in all the temples for my auspiciousness, and at the same time proper etiquette will also be observed. That you take care.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Is there anything wrong in this proposal of mine?]
Narayana Maharaja: [Transl. No, Not at all. It is very nice thing. It should be done like this. This huge organization you have built, it should be maintained and protected by everyone. And you yourself are proposing this. If everybody follows this, though you have instructed everyone, so if in future everybody co-operate and work together then the preaching can be accomplished all over the world in a grand way.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. These people have no family tradition. They are all mlecchas and yavanas. As far as possible I have taught them. They are following and doing according to their own ability. If everyone co-operates together, there is plenty of field for this. Many large temples have been established. There is no dearth of money. There is no lack of man power.]
Narayana Maharaja: [Transl. Everyone should assist in this regard. It will be very good. And these devotees also should be humble. If they respectfully associate with other devotees things will go better. As far as I am concerned, whenever they ask me anything I will help them whatever I can. Whenever they will call me, whenever they will want my advice or guidance and whenever they will ask me to go anywhere, I will help them according to my ability. But my qualification is very little. So whatever I can I will do.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. I was asking you about this Indupati.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. You can bring him.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. You sit down for a while.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Let him go and bring them here. In the course of mutual conversation sometimes there are arguments and counter arguements….]
Narayana Maharaja: [Transl. Those are insignificant things. Forget about it. This is a world wide preaching movement. And if in the course of preaching little bit this or that happens, if you happened to argue or counter argue with anybody, that's no problem. Whatever you have done, it is for the benefit of the people of the whole world. You have no personal motivation or selfish interest. You have done everything for Krsna's interest.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. All of you bless me.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. You can explain this to them. I am not able to talk much. You sit for a while. ]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Your health is good?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. In Mayapur there was so much disturbence recently.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. There was a meeting of twenty thousand people. Have you heard something about this?]
Narayana Maharaja: [Transl. I have heard about it and felt very sad. Some communist people tried to cause trouble and the local people supported them. That was very unjust. You peacefully cultivate, meditate on the Supreme Lord. Everything else they will take care by the will of the Lord. There is no need to worry about anything.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. You are affectionate to me.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. That I know. That's why I called you first. If there is any offense from my side forgive me.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. When did he go?]
Narayana Maharaja: [Transl. Sesasayi brahmacari. He used to cook for you sometimes. [aside: When he used to live in Mathura,he used to serve Maharajaji. He used to cook for Maharaja.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Han?]
sri-rupa-manjari-pada, sei mora sampada,
sei mor bhajana-pujana sei mora prana-dhana, sei mora abharana, sei mor jivanera jivana sei mora rasa-nidhi, sei mora vancha-siddhi,
sei mor vedera dharama sei brata, sei tapa, sei mora mantra-japa, sei mor dharama-karama anukula habe vidhi, se-pade hoibe siddhi,
nirakhibo e dui nayane se rupa-madhuri-rasi, prana-kuvalaya-sasi, praphullita habe nisi-dine tuwa adarsana-ahi, garale jaralo dehi,
ciro-dina tapita jivana ha ha rupa koro doya, deho more pada-chaya, narottama loilo sarana By the power of those feet my activities will become favorable to devotion, spiritual perfection will be achieved, and with these two eyes I will be able to actually see. The exquisite beauty of Sri Rupa Manjari's divine feet will shine like the brilliant moon upon the lotus of my heart both day and night, thus giving relief to my afflicted soul.
The serpent in the form of separation from You has poisoned my whole body, and my life is permanently miserable. O my Lord, please bestow Your mercy upon me. Give me the shade of Your lotus feet. Narottama dasa takes shelter of You.
All of you kindly bless me so that my desires be fulfilled, thus Narottama dasa always prays.
Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare / Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare / Gurudeva, Gurudeva, Gurudeva, Gurudeva, Jaya Jaya Gurudeva, Gurudeva, Gurudeva, Gurudeva / Jaya Prabhupada, Jaya Prabhupada, Jaya Prabhupada, Jaya Prabhupada. Jaya Prabhupada, Jaya Prabhupada, Jaya Prabhupada, Jaya Prabhupada. Jaya Prabhupada, Jaya Prabhupada, Jaya Prabhupada, Jaya Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Where is Tamala?
Prabhupada: [Transl. Only some bones are left and nothing else.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. They took me to London. I told them my physical condition is not good. I have seen enough opulence of London.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Inside the gate] ...entrance right side?
Prabhupada: [Transl. The body should be preserved with salt, etc.]
Prabhupada: Ah, yes.
Prabhupada: [Transl. You be present and get this done.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. All of your blessings.]
Prabhupada: Don't fight amongst yourselves. I have given the explanation, my will. Execute like that.
Prabhupada: [Transl. He is with you.]
Narayana Maharaja: [Transl. Yes. Mahaprabhu is with me there. We are taking care of Him nicely. That is one thing I have of yours. We have painted Him nicely and His service is going on nicely.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. I had a great chance to set up in Jhansi. Then I thought that if I have to do it then why not do it in a massive way. I got a good place there too.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. I thought I will live in Vrndavan like a beggar. But the Supreme Lord inspired me, and at the age of seventy I went out of India alone. This was His desire. Now a huge organization….]
Prabhupada: [Transl. …This is another trouble. Such a poor person like me.What will happen and how? Hmm. Hmm.]
Devotee: [Transl. Little cough.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Now I have stopped eating. Almost fasting. Not eating any food.]
Narayana Maharaja: [Transl. No, no. They are the best of all. If one has unalloyed devotion, and even if there is any fault, api cet su-duracaro / bhajate mam ananya-bhak / sadhur eva sa mantavyah. Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is to be considered saintly. [To the arrived Guest devotees: Hare Krsna! Please come in. Sit down. Has Bon Maharaja come?]
Indupati: [Transl. Okay. Tell me.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. My first request is that please forgive my offense. I have not commited any offense knowingly, but while preaching sometimes there are arguments and counter arguments.]
Devotee: [Transl. He is hard of hearing.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Will you do that?]
Indupati: [Transl. Yes. Maharaja, we have not taken any offense of yours. You bless us. You have no offense at all.]
Devotee: [Transl. The way you have preached…]
Indupati: [Transl. If anyone thinks like that then they themselves will be at fault.]
Devotee: [Transl. Just returned from London.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. What? What is he saying?]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Yes.]
Indupati: [Transl. This is the condition. Anyway, whatever the Lord wishes.]
Indupati: [Transl. Yes.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. I had a program for a world tour, but after going to London my health broke down further. So I said, let me go back immediately.]
Narayana Maharaja: [Transl. These words of yours I will convey to all the disciples of Srila Prabhupada who are still living but not present here. I will convey as it is. They should help and guide them through instructions so that they can peacefully carry on. This I will request them. You do not worry about anything. Just think of the Supreme Lord.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. And also you tell them that according to merit, some donations will be given for holding festival which they will give, but you all sit down and make a list of Temples and Mathas. This is the point. You explain.]
Narayana Maharaja: [Transl. Yes I have heard. I am telling them. After his disappearance, a festival in honor of him should be held. The money for that will be given by the devotees here. We should make sure that this festival is organized in a proper manner. To Prabhupada: I have one request to you that now you please do not think or worry about any of these things. You forget all other matters. These devotees are quiet competent. Your desire is now known to everyone. Now let there be constant remembrance of the Supreme Lord. There is no need to think of anything else further. You have done everything already. The way you have intoxicated the whole world in the holy name of Krsna, there is no doubt that your supreme destination is guaranteed. Now we take your leave.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Please take here in front of me.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Go and bring it here.]
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