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Prabhupada: Yasodamayi was always thinking of Him, "Here is my son. How to give protection? How to give Him food? How to..." She did not that He is God, but she knew. She knew. Gopi knows. He did not know what is Krsna. They know "There is God." That's all. That God is in front of them, that they did not know. They thought, "Our beloved child, beloved friend, dearmost friend..." That's all, absorbed in Krsna. That is the..., their purpose.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Prabhupada: ...saw the universes, universe, within the mouth of Krsna. So he... She was desiring so many things. Then, when there was no solution, "Oh... He's my child." That's all. She forgot everything, that, what he desire, what she desired(?), whether it is magic or this or this or that: "Don't mind. There is my child. That's all." Hare Krsna. [break]
Tamala Krsna: This is his wife. So they were friends. She was this woman's friend before this woman knew about Krsna. So she's trying to encourage her.
Prabhupada: Very good. [break] ...yatra is going on.
Prabhupada: Very good.
Prabhupada: Public will see how we can unite white and black by this Krsna consciousness. That will be very good result.
Prabhupada: Introduce this Ratha-yatra in every city. Great festival will attract people. When we first..., first or second year, Upendra was dancing like anything. (laughs) You remember?
Prabhupada: Yes. Do you remember that?
Upendra: Yes, Prabhupada. (laughs)
Prabhupada: Maddened with gladness. You were sitting by my side. That was very nice.
Prabhupada: No, it was very, (I) mean, engladdening festival. Everyone...
Tamala Krsna: Remember that hall at the end? Everybody was standing and jumping and chanting. You stood up with all the chanting.
Prabhupada: It was very successful.
Tamala Krsna: You even danced on the cart that year. Because the cart could not pass under the tunnel, so instead you stood up and got everybody dancing. Twice you stood up.
Prabhupada: Now they are demonstrating something else. Let them make their...
Prabhupada: That space? They're making some huts.
Tamala Krsna: Oh. That means at the conclusion, where the festival comes to at the end, apart from the stage where Lord Jagannatha is, where the devotees will be chanting, there will also be many booths, selling prasada and books. So these booths will be set within little houses that look like Indian-style houses. It'll appear like Jagannatha Puri. That's what they want to make it look like. 'Cause San Francisco they call New Jagannatha Puri. Anyway, it'll give a feeling of cultural change. It's one... It may be... It's one of the very biggest festivals now in the United States. It is already.
Prabhupada: Last time, when I was there, so many young persons, they were giving me, "Thanks, Prabhupada." They were feeling some enlightenment. Do you remember?
Prabhupada: Out of their own accord, they were giving, "Thanks, Prabhupada. Thanks, Prabhupada." They were not my disciples.
Prabhupada: Others. But they felt an ecstasy. So continue this ideal, and they will be very innocent and transcendental. It has nothing to do with material contact. Material contamination cannot touch it. Your country, very vast and big. Some of them have become... So farm there.(?) Hare Krsna. But during Ratha-yatra, everyone will be shown. Such a nice festival. Everyone will be forced to give. That is beginning. [break] Hm?
Prabhupada: Yes. Special feature of our temple, you'll see, younger generation, boys and girls from respectable families, they are coming. Did you mark this?
Tamala Krsna: I did. I've seen generally throughout India that respectable younger people are attracted. They may not join fully, but they're attracted to our movement. One of the things that attracts them is the fact that there are Westerners who are sincere here, 'cause they want to imitate the West, and yet here are Westerners who are devotees. And they are amazed. They like that feature, that there are not only... There are both a mixture of Indians and Westerners. They like that. They feel that it is very..., that the Westerners must have come out of some, you know, intelligence.
Prabhupada: And they are hearing the philosophy also. In the evening class they come.
Tamala Krsna: Yes. Oh, yes. Bhavananda always has young people coming to Mayapura. Intelligent, well-educated, wealthy people's children come. He yells at them like anything. He tells them that "Why are you imitating the West when you have the greatest culture?" Bhavananda Maharaja yells at them, chastises them. They like it. Naturally they like it because he's praising their culture.
Prabhupada: Yes. This is a fact. And the books are selling very nice, hm, Bengali?
Tamala Krsna: Oh, yeah. Now there's about seven or eight parties traveling around India, simply doing book distribution.
Prabhupada: That is our aim.
Tamala Krsna: Jayapataka Maharaja, Gopala Krsna. That was never before. Now that is going on. They have vans just like in America, and they travel, city to city, distributing the books.
Prabhupada: That is real program. You must always be fit. So he has taken how much, loan?
Tamala Krsna: Jayapataka Maharaja? Well, he's taking two different loans. One loan is for vans. Took fifty thousand rupees. He's now paid off ten thousand. Every month he's sending regularly five thousand. He's done that regularly now. And then he's taken another loan...
Prabhupada: For printing books.
Prabhupada: One lakh of rupees, hm?
Tamala Krsna: No, it isn't that much, Srila Prabhupada. It was about forty-five thousand rupees so far.
Prabhupada: Anyway, he can take any amount of money, provided he returns.
Tamala Krsna: That's what I told him. After I received the second payment, I said, "This is very good. If you continue to pay off to me, you can expect to get more loans."
Prabhupada: So I am very eagerly waiting. If some of our men get permanent visa, then I'll do very vigorous propaganda.
Prabhupada: Waiting for that.
Prabhupada: No, training men and they are forced to go away. Very bad government.
Prabhupada: And therefore I say, if the government considers this and do, then we can expect. Otherwise what is the use of meeting with...? Waste of time.
Prabhupada: If they do not understand the importance of the movement...
Prabhupada: If they are intelligent, they must. But they are all rascal, rogues, thieves and...
Tamala Krsna: Krsna has given you all facilities, so why...? I'm sure He'll give this one also. I just got a notice from... The visa people gave me notice earlier that on such and such date I have to leave, and I have to think how to appeal. They're harassing everybody.
Prabhupada: You can write that "Our permanent visa is being considered by the Central Government."
Prabhupada: "If required, you can inquire from the Minister of..."
Prabhupada: No.
Prabhupada: Foreign Affairs, that "My position, it is in his hand now."
Tamala Krsna: Yeah, by the time I write my letter, my name will be one of the people on the list, so it's a fact.
Prabhupada: When he's going to submit?
Tamala Krsna: He said in two weeks he'd be returning to his committee, so I'm thinking about four or five days, around five.
Prabhupada: Mention this.
Prabhupada: In the meantime, your notice to you can be submitted by him, that "This is..."
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: This should be done very carefully. "He's acting as a secretary, so important, and he's serving."
Tamala Krsna: "Could you please give a little..." And if they say, "Then why did you come as a tourist and not on an entry visa?" I'll say, "Because it's impossible even to get entry visa."
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: It is impossible. You can sometimes wait for years to get entry. They force us to come on tourist visa by not granting entry. Then they say, "Why did you come on a tourist visa? Why didn't you get entry?"
Prabhupada: Dilemma.
Prabhupada: If you come this way, you are condemned. If you come this way...
Prabhupada: (Bengali)
Tamala Krsna: I've seen that Krsna always helps you, Srila Prabhupada. Even against Mr. Nair, such a big demon, the way he was acting... I mean, simply by your devotion Krsna did everything.
Prabhupada: No, if it actually considered by the cabinet, there will be some...
Prabhupada: You show me the list of men.
Tamala Krsna: Yeah. I'm writing Gopala, so I'll tell him to send a copy to you. He's the one who's composing the list.
Prabhupada: He alone doing?
Tamala Krsna: He says he was going to do it in conjunction with the temple presidents in India. And me. Said he was going to do it in conjunction with me and the temple presidents. I don't see how he's going to do that, sitting in Bombay.
Prabhupada: You did not ask that "You are here, and I am seven hundred miles away. How you'll do?"
Prabhupada: Simply explanation, but there is no practical. I receive only explanation"I did it. I did it." That's all. Where is the action?
Prabhupada: You told him, that's all. Where is the action? That is idea, "I told him." What is the result? Nothing. In every day, "I told him." This is the sign of irrespons... It is so important thingsimply "I told him." That's all. Then my business is finished.
Prabhupada: That is going on, simply explanation, "I told him." That...
Prabhupada: That's all right. Then do it like that. That is gudakesa. This practice you'll never be able to.
Tamala Krsna: Actually I wanted to do this when we were in Bombay. I was going to write all of the presidents. At that time you advised me that we should wait until something, you know...
Prabhupada: It is very important to select the names. He is doing alone. "He told me."
Tamala Krsna: I didn't tell him to do it alone. I told him with Gargamuni and Giriraja and himself, they should sign. I told him specifically not to do it alone. And I wanted to write the temple presidents, but you advised me a few months ago not to. I was going to get a list from them, recommended, and then sit with, you know, Gopala, and decide which of the fifty people chosen...
Prabhupada: That's all right. Don't require. (end)
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