Prabhupada: ...and these are.... You are being plundered. They are very expert in the plunder. But I thought, "Some Indians will help. He is also 'big belly,' you. It is simply in my eyes. I am the only fool." I criticize like that. Just see how much money they have taken. One day, they are charging ten rupees, and fifty men working, so all spoiled. This is going on all over. Baro baro bangole baro baro pet, lanka dingate mata kara het. (?) Hm? [break] (Bengali) He did not take the cart?

Jayapataka: I took a jeep also.

Prabhupada: No, no.

Jayapataka: The card. I got your passbook and deposit book.

Prabhupada: Baro baro pet. How you are being looted. Just see. Farce. They are making farce and taking money.

Jayapataka: Who?

Prabhupada: These rascals. Don't you see?

Jayapataka: This was done since I left.

Prabhupada: I told that this is being farce, and somebody told me you have guaranteed. And the other day, when I was walking, I said, "This is going to be farce," and somebody told me, "They have guaranteed."

Pusta Krsna: Around the kunda, around the tank, putting up there, pandal.

Tamala Krsna: The same man?

Pusta Krsna: No.

Prabhupada: Where is Jayapataka?

Pusta Krsna: Jayapataka Maharaja. [break] ...almost sixty years.

Prabhupada: Sixty years, they could not do any of these books. And still they are envious. Within sixty years they could not attract any foreign student or any book published. And still, they are proud. They have got all the blessings of Bhaktisiddhanta.

Yasodanandana: They cannot even attract Indian students.

Prabhupada: Just see, how black snakes they are.

Yasodanandana: They do pretty good with old widows, however. (laughter)

Tamala Krsna: Getting a lot of flowers here, it seems.

Prabhupada: Yes. There must be always all full of flowers.

Tamala Krsna: Very many flowers coming.

Prabhupada: They are maintaining big, big monkey. No matta het.(?) That...

Jayapataka: Maintaining.

Prabhupada: That...

Jayapataka: Maintaining Hanuman.

Prabhupada: What they are doing?

Jayapataka: Well, they are feeling.... [break]

Prabhupada: ...if there is water. And if there is lowland, the whole water will go to the lowland. And that means you have two or three canals, there will be no more flood.

Tamala Krsna: So you need the land to make the canals.

Prabhupada: That's it.

Tamala Krsna: Emergency yajna.

Prabhupada: Yes. You convince him like that.

Yasodanandana: This is very clever.

Prabhupada: And factually we have to do that in order to check the flood. Make scheme like Europeans and Americans. Why you are thinking in terms of Indian plan?

Tamala Krsna: He's been here a long time, Prabhupada. (laughter) He's thinking like a...

Prabhupada: But I am born here. I have no Indian plan. My plans are all American.

Yasodanandana: Jaya Prabhupada!

Guru-krpa: Your plans are Krsna's plans, Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Hm? Yes. I planned that "I must go to America." Yes. That was the reason. Otherwise, generally they go to London. I did not go to London.

Tamala Krsna: We were talking about that.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Tamala Krsna: We were just talking about that last night, that generally someone in Indian would think, "Let me go to London," but you thought, "Let me go to..."

Prabhupada: No. I was simply dreaming, "How to go to New York?" Actually I thought.

Tamala Krsna: The biggest.

Prabhupada: Yes. I was scheming, "Whether I shall go this way, through Tokyo, Japan, or that way? Which way is cheaper?" That was my plan. And I was targeting to New York always. Sometimes I was dreaming that I have come to New York. Hare Krsna. (Bengali ) (aside:) We cannot accept food from the demons. Hare Krsna. [break] ...supplied at least nice food. [break] You are the first time here?

Indian man (1): Yes.

Prabhupada: How do you like?

Indian man (1): Very nice.

Prabhupada: [break] ...purify the whole atmosphere. [break] ...world we are all condemned. Still, Krsna has given so many facilities. There is a Bengali proverb. Bondhir astekur bhaga.(?) Ast kur(?) means the place of garbage. If a aristocrat asks that "You have to live in my garbage place," "Oh, that is also better." Similarly, Krsna.... This is garbage. This material world is garbage. Still, we live so comfortably. Now just imagine what is His dhama. It is the garbage tank. Still so nice. And just think what is His real place, Goloka Vrndavana. [break]

Jayapataka: ...gave us a very good record, very clean.

Prabhupada: Purest in the world.

Jayapataka: Officially, he said, the government is very eager to always keep an eye on your activities, but so far, you have not had any bad record. Therefore the government is favorable.

Prabhupada: Yes. Otherwise, how Indira Gandhi could see me? Even in the midst of crisis she gave me time. She has got very impression. She said that "I have all faith in you, but because I am afraid of the these Americans..."

Jayapataka: We understand how important it is to keep all our dealings in the open.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes, yes, very, very careful.

Jayapataka: Watching the dangers.

Prabhupada: We have got good reputation all over the world. The German rascals, they wanted to minimize our value, but he failed, that police officer.

Hamsaduta: If the government sanctions for acquiring this land, then we won't have any trouble in Hyderabad getting that land either.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Hamsaduta: Have to give it.

Prabhupada: [break] ...take it rightly. Then we'll lay down the foundation. Something, anything.

Madhudvisa: The subjects that we're going to be discussing today in the GBC meeting is about the role of sannyasi and brahmacari and grhastha in ISKCON. And in the Eighteenth Chapter of Bhagavad-gita, in one of your purports, you say that a sannyasi should never discourage a young man from becoming, from getting married. But on the other hand, we have understood that a sannyasi should encourage young men to remain brahmacari. So it seems to me like there's some kind of a...

Prabhupada: According to time, circumstances. Just like Krsna says, niyatam kuru karma tvam: "Always be engaged in your prescribed work." And, at last, He says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. Now we have to adjust. That is not contradiction. That is suitable to the time and circumstance. Karma is also recommended in the Vedas. Karma-kanda. There are three divisions: karma-kanda, jnana-kanda and upasana-kanda. Trayi. Therefore Veda is known as, what is called, trio. The trio word has come from "trayi."

Madhudvisa: You have also said, regarding that, that Krsna gives us the conclusion of the those three processes in the Bhagavad-gita, that karma is concluded, yat karosi yad asnasi [Bg. 9.27], and jnana is concluded, bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate [Bg. 7.19], and yoga is concluded yoginam api sarvesam [Bg. 6.47]. So is there some conclusive..., like Krsna says, concluding, sarva-dharman parityajya. Is there some conc...?

Prabhupada: That is the real end. You have to become the eternal servant of Krsna. Either you go through karma or jnana or yoga, it doesn't matter. The ultimate aim is how to reach Krsna. That is wanted. [break] Arjuna achieved the favor of Krsna by fighting, by killing. (aside:) Hare Krsna. (end)