Room Conversation

June 18, 1976, Toronto
Prabhupada: If we say all these things, they will cut my head. (laughs) Therefore I don't say in the public meeting all these things. But it is actually dog's life(?). No value. Actually, no value. We cannot give any value to this type of civilization, running like dog with car.
Pusta Krsna: I remember in South Africa though, Prabhupada, you called them, (laughs) at every meeting, dogs and cats. And afterward they were always applauding. (claps)
Hari-sauri: He did that, (laughing) you did that in South India as well.
Pusta Krsna: I think that...
Prabhupada: No, no, when I come into emotion, I cannot check to speak the truth. But actually it is the fact. I cannot give any credit to these rascals (laughs) who are running at high speed, big, big car.
Pusta Krsna: What did we read? There was an article about Mars today.
Hari-sauri: Oh. Nonsense.
Pusta Krsna: The scientists, again...
Hari-sauri: They were speculating about.... They sent this spaceship to Mars, and they were speculating that maybe now the so-called smog that covers the surface of the planet, it could be fog. It could be made of ice and water particles. So now they..., so they were speculating like that. And then they said they were going to land the spaceship in a valley at a certain point that is four miles deep and that may..., it may have been filled with water fifty thousand years ago, and it could have fossils in it from the type of life that existed there, if it existed.
Pusta Krsna: Fifty thousand years ago. (laughter)
Prabhupada: Scientist rascal. How ludicrous. Simply "maybe," "if it was" and "it will be." That's all. Simply "maybe."
Hari-sauri: Yes. They were speculating about, even they didn't know what the atmosphere was, and yet they know, yet they were stating that they were going to land this spaceship at a certain point just below the Martian equator in a valley which is just at the mouth of the valley, which is four miles deep.
Prabhupada: And people are taking, "Oh, it is scientific research."
Hari-sauri: They are such rascals.
Pusta Krsna: This cheating has to stop.
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Pusta Krsna: This cheating has to be stopped.
Hari-sauri: And actually, on the same page, what was that, the percentage scientists are engaged in warfare?
Pusta Krsna: Forty percent of all the scientists in the world, the estimate is, are engaged in making weapons. And it said that since the end of World War II, six trillion dollars, which is six thousand billion dollars, have been spent on armament in the world.
Hari-sauri: In the West.
Pusta Krsna: The West, did it say?
Prabhupada: In India, no money. They can't.... (laughs) They have no sufficient money to eat even. Still they are spending more than fifty percent, fifty-four percent.
Hari-sauri: They estimate there's four hundred thousand so-called scientists working on armament.
Prabhupada: Working on?
Hari-sauri: Armament. Weapons. Weapon development. Defense. They call it defense measures.
Prabhupada: Just see. Why defense? Man to man. That means they are dogs. The dogs defend from another dog. Is it not? As soon as they see another dog, (growls) yow, yow, yow. So then where is the defense between man to man?
Pusta Krsna: They're worried now that they won't be able to disarm, the article was saying, because, somehow or another, there's going to be a disaster unless there is immediate disarmament. But they don't think it's possible.
Prabhupada: No. How they can disarm? They have been trained up like dogs to bark and fight. How there can be disarmament?
Hari-sauri: They've been talking about disarmament for who knows how long.
Prabhupada: Huh?
Hari-sauri: They've been talking about disarmament for years and years together. But they're simply increasing. There's no disarmament.
Pusta Krsna: Even within the different religions they are fighting amongst each other.
Prabhupada: No, no. This religion is also bogus. How the dogs can understand religion? It is simply woax.
Pusta Krsna: Simply?
Prabhupada: Woax, woax, what is called? Woax?
Hari-sauri: Wasp?
Pusta Krsna: Like a bee?
Prabhupada: No, no. Colossal woax. H-o-a-x. Find out this.
Prabhupada: H-o-a-x.
Hari-sauri: Hoax.
Pusta Krsna: Hoax! Joke.
Hari-sauri: Everything's just a bluff. Just a show.
Prabhupada: Hoax, yes.
Hari-sauri: Rubber-stamping
Pusta Krsna: Hoax means "to deceive, take in, sometimes by way of joke; humorous or mischievous deception."
Prabhupada: Vibhrama, the Sanskrit is vibhrama-milita-kriya. The arambha, arambha means endeavor. Very gorgeous. The result is sand and rocks. Going to the moon planet, the arambha was so much expensive. And the result is to bring some sand and rocks. This is hoax. And another: parvatan musakodbhavah. Hoax. There was a great advertisement that the Himalayan mountain is going to deliver a child. So people gathered on, to see, "Oh, such a big mountain. The child must be a very big child." So they went to see there, and they saw one rat is coming from the hole of.... A rat is coming. They expected another Himalayan mountain, and they saw from the holes, one rat is coming. This is going on. And they are satisfied. "Now the Himalaya has delivered the child." One rat. (laughs) This attempt is like Himalayas begetting a child. If some elephant would have come, it would have saved the..., not even elephant, one rat. And in English, another is, "Much ado about nothing."
Hari-sauri: Shakespeare.
Prabhupada: Yes. The result is nothing. What is the meaning of "ado"?
Pusta Krsna: Endeavor.
Prabhupada: Endeavor. Yes. So these things are like that. Not sober. Dhiras tatra na muhyati [Bg. 2.13]. They are not sober. Adhira. Therefore they meet with so many accidents. You also. As soon as we're in the car, he wants to drive at a hundred miles speed.
Pusta Krsna: I think it was token punishment, but I'm sorry if you were in the car.
Prabhupada: (laughs) What is the use? You are not going to serve anyone that we have to go high speed. We can go comfortably.
Hari-sauri: We can make our own pace.
Prabhupada: Yes. Syamasundara also. He was driving seventy-five. And what you are doing? What is that? This country, Portland.
Pusta Krsna: Oregon? From Eugene to Oregon.
Prabhupada: Oregon, yes.
Pusta Krsna: I was in the car with you in the back seat.
Prabhupada: Oh, you were in the car?
Pusta Krsna: They all fell asleep. I was chanting. You were sitting, you didn't even go to sleep that night (laughs). Even though it was late at night, it was about eleven, twelve, one o'clock at night, you didn't want to stay at that bhogi yogi house. I remember that. And he drove very, very fast back to Portland. That was a very nice engagement.
Prabhupada: Hmm. That was Syamasundara's father's car. So he's a good driver, (laughter) but very dangerous driver. I do not know, Syamasundara, his father is a rich man, lawyer, got good estate and he's the only son. He did not like to stay with father.
Hari-sauri: No one in the West likes to stay with their parents.
Prabhupada: Two sisters, very beautiful girls. They're unhappy.
Pusta Krsna: They're unhappy?
Prabhupada: Yes. His two sisters.
Pusta Krsna: I heard he was preaching to them. At least one of them that came to the temple that time. She came to that program.
Prabhupada: She first of all came in London.
Pusta Krsna: She was piano player.
Prabhupada: Anyway, they're artists. They're artists. They're not happy. Divorced. His mother is very gentle, I have seen. Father is also respectable man.
Pusta Krsna: Family life in the West is disastrous.
Prabhupada: The father wants to get them back at home, but they don't.... The father is also taking pills for sleeping. (laughs) Father is also not happy.
Hari-sauri: That's the thing. In the West, even though the opulence is there, the children can see the parents are not happy. The parents are always full of anxiety. So even though the parents want the children to stay at home, the children they resent that, because they can see that "You have nothing to offer. It's just a facade."
Pusta Krsna: They don't want to become like their parents. They don't see that their parents are a desirable example to follow.
Prabhupada: Yes. Wine and sex. They see from childhood. One boy, Rancor, so his father and mother divorced and he was young child. He was the first child of his mother. And the mother, he said, would daily bring a new friend. So he could understand.
Pusta Krsna: A new woman.
Prabhupada: Not new woman, his mother, he was under the care of mother.
Pusta Krsna: Oh, mother had new husbands, new boyfriends.
Prabhupada: Daily night. And he was shocked. One of my Gaudiya Matha Godbrothers, big, he became the head of this Bhag Bazaar Gaudiya Matha. So his wife was debauched, and she was bringing new paramour, and the child protested.
Pusta Krsna: New?
Prabhupada: Paramour. And the boy, he was ten years or twelve years old, he could understand: "Who is this man?" So he protested and said, "I shall tell all these things to my father." And he was killed.
Pusta Krsna: The boy was killed?
Prabhupada: By the mother.
Hari-sauri: She murdered him?
Prabhupada: Yes. Killed means given poison. And the father, that is, my Godbrother, seeing this, he also took poison. This is the end of Gaudiya Matha scandal. He was also one of the trustees. This Tirtha Maharaja was a trustee, and another Godbrother and this man. In the beginning, they were made trustees. In the beginning, Prabhupada was to undergo surgical operation. So he was a little nervous, that "I may die." So he made a scrap paper, that "In case I die, these three disciples will be trustees of the Gaudiya Matha Institute." That's all. So this Kunja Babu kept this. There are many long histories. So one of the so-called trustees was this Vasudeva. So he died, his end was like this.
Pusta Krsna: His son was killed, isn't it?
Prabhupada: His wife was a regular prostitute, and she killed her child, and on this shock, he took poison and died.
Pusta Krsna: He killed himself, oh.
Prabhupada: Naturally, he became shocked, that "This is my family lifethe wife is prostitute and son is killed. What is the value of my life?" This was his spiritual realization. Just see. (laughs) And he was made the chief, and one of the supporter was Sridhara Maharaja.
Pusta Krsna: Vasudeva Sridhara?
Prabhupada: No, no. He was made chief. Guru Maharaja did not make him chief. But after his passing away, some of our Godbrothers voted him chief.
Pusta Krsna: Am I mis...? You had told me once, I'm not certain. Maybe I made a mistake. You said that Vasudeva, it was known fact that he was homosex?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: He was homosex and sex, everything.
Pusta Krsna: Here, Srila Prabhupada, in this city.... I haven't been back in so many years to America. Things have become more degraded. I'm watching women and women walking arm around each other. And I asked, "What is this?" "Oh," he says "they are lesbians." Women together, girlfriends. They don't mix with men.
Prabhupada: This is now very much prevalent in America.
Pusta Krsna: No higher consciousness.
Prabhupada: I had one disciple, she was for that purpose (?), yes.
Satsvarupa: So one professor is already here.
Prabhupada: Let him come.
Satsvarupa: This is Shivaram.
Pusta Krsna: Srila Prabhupada? Should I turn this light on?
Prabhupada: Yes. You also sit down. Note down.
Pusta Krsna: I want to get the newspapers that you wanted. [break]
Prabhupada: What can I do? (laughs)
Jayadvaita: I'll speak to Ramesvara and see if we can do something to publish it. [break]
Prabhupada: I began with these men are running in car and the dog is running on leg, where is the difference. His running by car is his advancement of civilization. They are taking running by car, never mind the passenger is a dog. (laughter) But the passenger is running on car, a dog, therefore he's a dog.
Jayadvaita: They use these cars for running after women.
Prabhupada: That is the same thing. Just like dog runs after.
Hari-sauri: What will the program be? Won't Prabhupada speak down there also?
Prabhupada: What is speaking?
Hari-sauri: I'll just see if everything is ready. (end)

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