Room Conversation

July 4, 1976, Washington D.C.
Prabhupada: (indistinct) ...punah punas carvita carvananam [SB 7.5.30], again spend millions of dollars. And our rascal Indian leaders, they are also. What is that here, she has remarked, "Hare Krsna cult."
Pusta Krsna: Oh yeah, that Indian cultural organization.
Rupanuga: Who said that?
Prabhupada: One...
Pusta Krsna: They have one cultural organization, they want to export yogis and teachers who they approve of, the Indian government approves of as being bona fide. Because the American government, so many people are complaining, about misrepresentation by these Indian swamis and so-called yogis that are coming over. So they put Guru...., the Divine Light Society...
Hari-sauri: They said that once this is established there won't be no room for the Divine Lightists, the Hare Krsna cultists and like this.
Pusta Krsna: TM. (indistinct)
Rupanuga: Really.
Devotees: Yeah. (indistinct)
Prabhupada: And they're spending...
Pusta Krsna: A hundred and sixty nine lakhs.
Prabhupada: A hundred and sixty nine lakhs per year, inviting foreign countries to lecture.
Pusta Krsna: And only a handful came.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Pusta Krsna: Only a handful they had, something like sixty people. They spent two...
Prabhupada: And what culture they'll speak? (Hindi) They can speak, "Milk is dangerous and meat is very nutritious. Kill all the cows. Oh yes, it's very scientific." This is the cult(?). "Milk is dangerous." Is it not?
Pusta Krsna: Yeah, they're saying that, the doctors nowadays.
Rupanuga: It's true.
Pusta Krsna: I remember one day you retorted that. You said that "Milk is nothing but the blood of the cow transformed. And [sarcastically:] the milk is bad but the blood is good?
Rupanuga: They scare people by saying that milk helps to create heart disease, and artery disease, like that. They frighten people with that propaganda.
Pusta Krsna: Meat creates cancer of the intestines.
Rupanuga: Actually, there have been some articles in papers lately about meat and cancer, linking meat and cancer. Prominent, prominently displayed articles.
Prabhupada: Then why do you give milk to the children? Give him blood.
Rupanuga: They say past a certain age...
Prabhupada: No, no, this propaganda-milk is badso why from the very beginning you give milk to the children?
Rupanuga: Actually, in America they do not feed the children by the breast. They use cow's milk practically from birth.
Prabhupada: Therefore I say...
Pusta Krsna: There was an article in the newspaper about that today. Very interesting. It said in the newspaper that if women stop breast feeding their children they will have to increase the population of dairy cows tremendously. A very small percentage do now.
Prabhupada: They have to increase?
Pusta Krsna: More and more cows to produce enough milk to feed children.
Prabhupada: And therefore we are killing children. There is no problem, we shall kill our.... Why do you call? Let us kill, wholesale. And go to ball dance.
Hari-sauri: The whole civilization is complete crazy.
Prabhupada: Kartikeya told me. After many years he went to see his mother, and mother was going to ball dance. And mother said, "Wait, I am coming back." And he was surprised. He told me. Son has come home after many years, and she could not talk with him. She was going to ball dance.
Pusta Krsna: It actually is that way. It actually goes on that way.
Prabhupada: This is the mother.
Hari-sauri: Completely callous.
Rupanuga: Not even mother love anymore.
Prabhupada: Mother killing. He was about to be killed. He admits. His grandmother advised the mother. Yes. Krsna saved him. Because he is devotee, some way or other, he was saved. Your grandmother still living?
Hari-sauri: Just.
Prabhupada: Why don't you say, (laughs) "You wanted to kill me, just see, I'm chanting Hare Krsna."
Hari-sauri: I don't think it would be received very well.
Pusta Krsna: She might say, "See, I was right."
Prabhupada: Mother advising young daughter to kill her child.
Rupanuga: Actually there was a statement in the national magazine, the President's wife was advising her own daughter to the reporters that she should have illicit sex.
Pusta Krsna: Yes, this President's wife, this present First Lady is very abominable. She actually came out and said, "If I were young I would also experiment with drugs." So many things.
Prabhupada: No, why here? In India, in India, in a office, I was going there for my Back to Godhead, so the clerk had one girl, they were intimately related, and the girl's father, mother allowed. The boy was coming. And when the girl wanted to marry him, the father refused. "No, no, you cannot marry. Let him come as friend, but there is no question of marriage."
Pusta Krsna: What was their purpose?
Prabhupada: Purpose is that "You are young girl, you can have a young boy as friend and have your sex, but don't talk of marriage." This is the plain fact. "You need sex? All right, keep him as friend. Marriage, that I will select a better boy. When we find, then there is question of marriage. He's a clerk, how you can be married with him? He's coming as friend. You enjoy sex, that's all." This is the.... First of all, he was ordered not to come. Then the girl began to cry. Then he allowed, "All right let him come but there is no question of marriage." Why he? Our, that (name witheld). You know? He was Ambassador in Germany. His daughter is a devotee. That boy who was selling books? (name witheld).
Pusta Krsna: (name witheld)is the girl's name.
Prabhupada: Her father said "Yes, you keep as friend, don't marry." The (name witheld), Mr....
Pusta Krsna: He said that concerning (name witheld)and her?
Prabhupada: Yes. (name witheld)is living with her at her father's house. So he did not object but he objected marriage.
Pusta Krsna: I heard she became impossible. (name witheld)left her. He couldn't bear associating with her. Now he's brahmacari again. (laughter) That was one of Bhagavan's marriages that didn't work out.
Rupanuga: We were thinking that just like when you were in Moscow, some pictures were taken that were used for Back to Godhead, very good propaganda. We were thinking maybe when we go on this tour that in front of the White House maybe we could take a picture and use it in Back to Godhead in an article like that. It might be good propaganda.
Prabhupada: Yes, you can do.
Rupanuga: So we were thinking we would go there to the White House on the first part, then to Capitol, second part, then around to Lincoln Memorial, then Monument for fireworks ceremony.
Prabhupada: I will go to the fireworks. (end)

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