April 24, 1974, Hyderabad
Prabhupāda: ...drawing the attention of the papers. I know so many papers, they will publish his statement. There are four, five, ten letters, but about our... What is his name?
Devotee (1): Lieberman.
Prabhupāda: Lieberman is original name.
Satsvarūpa: Yes, he said he's dominating the...
Satsvarūpa: He's dominating the public attention.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is very success. [break] ...that he's dominating?
Satsvarūpa: That's what he wrote in his letter.
Satsvarūpa: He thinks that he's going to win. [break]
Prabhupāda: ... that these rascal leaders, they cannot give us any comfort. All over the world. Here in the Gujarat, the students have insulted the leader, you know? So horribly, they have dragged the prime minister, chief minister, dragged him and set up and seated on an ass's back. In this way he was insulted.
Mahāṁśa: Prime Minister.
Prabhupāda: The chief minister.
Mahāṁśa: The chief minister.
Devotee: This was in Jerusalem?
Prabhupāda: Ah? No, no, is Gujarat, here.
Prabhupāda: The next province. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [break] ...speaking all the words that he has learned from him. Very good. Very nicely he's presenting.
Mahāṁśa: He's an elderly gentleman?
Prabhupāda: No, no, only twenty-five. [break] ...all these culprits, the burglars, the thieves, they should be punished exemplary. (chuckles) Yes, that should be done. [break] One telegram: "Come immediately Bombay. Everything is all right, Kṛṣṇa has blessed you." [break] I mean to say intelligent in their part, they'll at least give a chance to him. Yes. [break] ...doing all right.
Satsvarūpa: He said he didn't feel well, he was not going to take a walk.
Satsvarūpa: He said he felt too...
Prabhupāda: He has come.
Prabhupāda: That he thinks always, not to take walk, but when he takes, then it's good. [break] ...dharma, what is dharma, religion.
Mahāṁśa: I was not there yesterday.
Prabhupāda: Oh, you were not there. So what arrangement is made now?
Mahāṁśa: I got all the bus tickets for the devotees...
Mahāṁśa: ...and for the plane tickets there was a little difficulty. I don't know how many plane tickets are available yet, but I definitely got minimum two. I don't know if I'll be able to get four, but I'm trying. I'm first on the waiting list, so... [break]
Prabhupāda: ...our nice program.
Mahāṁśa: Yes, I told him to send a telegram in any case, but he has not sent, but if the..., if the program was not nice, then he would have definitely have sent some message to cancel the program. [break]
Prabhupāda: ...get help from them by his bogus program.
Prabhupāda: Vishva Hindu Parishad. What is this nonsense Vishva Hindu...? (chuckles) He does not know what is the meaning of Hindu. And his jñāna-yajña. Gītā jñāna yajña. He does not understand even a word of Gītā, and this rascal is preaching Bhagavad-gītā. This is going on. And he has made some name, people after him. People means if you flatter him, that "Whatever you are doing, it is all right."
Mahāṁśa: They will...
Prabhupāda: Then they will be very much pleased. And as soon as you criticize, that "You are doing this wrong, you will suffer." "Oh, yes, this Swamiji is not (indistinct)." That is going on everywhere. In the name of religion you do all nonsense rascaldom, and the leader approves, "Yes, you can do." Vivekananda did it. "Yes, there is no difference between eating meat and not eating eat in terms of religion system." He preached this, and all the sannyāsīs of the Ramakrishna Mission they eat meat, they drink, they have woman secretary, everything. This Chinmayananda is also like that. I know his whole mischief. Unless one is purely Kṛṣṇa conscious, one cannot give up all these bad habits. This is the test. Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra caiṣa [SB 11.2.42]. One... Unless one is substantially advanced in kṛṣṇa-bhakti, they cannot give up this material attachment—illicit sex, meat eating—they cannot. It is impossible. So even in the name of swami or big, big yogis... They are doing all these things. Especially those who go in foreign countries... In USA illicit sex is very cheap. Everything is very cheap. Yes. Intoxication very cheap, meat-eating very cheap, gambling, very cheap, so when they get this cheap amenities, they forget their so-called spiritual life.
Akṣayānanda: One of our friends went to hear Chinmayananda, and he came back to the temple and he said, "Oh, he was speaking very nicely."
Akṣayānanda: So Mahāṁśa Swami said, "What did he say?"
Akṣayānanda: "I do not know."
Prabhupāda: Who is he?
Mahāṁśa: Hariprasad's sons. (laughs)
Mahāṁśa: Rai Krishan (?).
Prabhupāda: That is the disease.
Mahāṁśa: They just speak very big words so that the language looks very nice, but people don't understand a word what they are saying.
Prabhupāda: (Prabhupāda talks meaningless words, imitating the rascals; devotees laugh) They go on speaking like this. And people, "Oh, how amazing!" Simply give some grammatical form and talk all nonsense, people will appreciate. Jugglery. This is called jugglery. The Māyāvādī paṇḍitas also do that. All the Māyāvādīs are against me, because I am talking about Bhagavad-gītā as it is, and they screw their own meaning by jugglery of words. So they are all enemies. The Māyāvādī sannyāsīs, smārta-paṇḍitas, all of them. [break] ...has constructed a śiva-liṅga temple.
Prabhupāda: A temple of... There are so many hundreds and thousands of Śiva temples, but nobody has exhibited śiva-liṅga, big śiva-liṅga on the head of the temple.
Akṣayānanda: Where is that, Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Bombay. And he's speaking on Gītār Gān. Gītār Gān means to construct a big śiva-liṅga temple. He's proving himself a rascal by his activities. He's a rascal number one. He has gone many times to foreign countries, but not a single foreign student he has got. [break] ...from atheistic fools who are not prepared to follow any rules and regulations, they are after him.
Akṣayānanda: That Sai Baba too...
Prabhupāda: Yes. Everyone.
Akṣayānanda: Many of those young boys and girls, they are potential devotees. They are just in it for a bit of fun. A bit of fashion or fun.
Prabhupāda: Similarly Rajneesh. [break] ...very good intelligence, Lieberman.
Prabhupāda: Yes, he's speaking very nicely. He's fit for that position. Similarly our, what is his name?
Prabhupāda: Balavanta. He's also very nice. If we get some important votes in the government, then our mission will be successful. This, our philosophy is being properly ventilated, it is coming in the papers, isn't it? On account of this political leadership. And I see that his statements are published profusely. Not with other contemporaries. And what they'll speak? They have no sense, they have no leadership idea.
Satsvarūpa: Some devotees express the fear that after some time all these bogus groups, they will start running political men, too, and then the field may be ruined, that...
Satsvarūpa: Soon, they say, especially the Bala-yogi, he always follows whatever we do, when we go out and distribute books, they do, when we have kīrtana, they do. So there's the fear that soon they'll all be running for office, all these bogus men, because we are doing.
Prabhupāda: But they cannot say anything.
Devotee: They'll just be more exposed... They'll have to study your books (indistinct).
Prabhupāda: They cannot even speak... Ah?
Devotee: They'll have to study your books to find out what to say.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like our, what is this? Sai, Sai, Siddha-svarūpa. He also tried to imitate ourself, and by reading, reading, he became my disciple. Although he has the same mentality, still, still he does not find any better solution than our philosophy. The Karandhara, he went away (chuckles) and does not find any solution. You see?
Satsvarūpa: "I find no alternative to Kṛṣṇa's service," he said.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the final. Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate [Bg. 7.19]. That is final. [break]
Mahāṁśa: ...start all over the world?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Devotee: We should...
Prabhupāda: If we'll be successful in America, then all over, everywhere it will be followed. [break] (Hindi)
Mahāṁśa: Today one very big minister is going to come.
Mahāṁśa: He was a minister. His name is Channa Reddy.
Mahāṁśa: He used to be running for the chief ministership. He's very, very popular, but there was some mischief he did, for which he was taken to court and exposed.
Prabhupāda: What is that mischief?
Mahāṁśa: I don't remember exactly, but he was taken to court and exposed and he was expelled from entering into any...
Mahāṁśa: ...any elections for five years. So now his period is finishing, his five years is finishing, and he is going to stand again, and seems that he's very, very popular, he has a good chance. And he's our Life Member...
Prabhupāda: Oh, he's a Life Member?
Mahāṁśa: Oh, yes.
Prabhupāda: He studies our books?
Mahāṁśa: Oh, yes, he has taken our books and he especially asked that "I am reading these books and please give me." And he attended all the three days of the exhibition grounds.
Mahāṁśa: You maybe remember, no?
Mahāṁśa: Channa Reddy. He's very nice. He'll be coming today at ten o'clock. [break]
Prabhupāda: ...the modern politicians. Here at the present moment their philosophy is that one must be very cunning diplomat, then he's successful politician. This is their philosophy. The most crooked man, like Cāṇakya. But our philosophy is that the political head should be like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, Lord Rāmacandra, that is difference. Here Churchill or Hitler or similar man, crooked man... Without being crooked one cannot become politician. Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister, he said that "Consistency in politics is the qualification of an ass." Consistency. You must change. [break]
Mahāṁśa: You should never trust a politician, so if you cannot trust a politician, why we elect him as a leader, why should he be a leader?
Prabhupāda: Yes. No, "Do not trust" means you are also not trustworthy, nobody trusts you, and you should also not. That is their philosophy. All these big, big politicians, just like United Nations. The same philosophy is going on. Nobody trusts anyone, but they speak big, big...
Akṣayānanda: Did he mean because the politician will degrade... (end)
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