Morning Walk – April 24, 1974, Hyderabad

You are doing this wrong. You will suffer

Prabhupada: ...drawing the attention of the papers. And now so many papers, they have published his statement. There are four, five, ten candidates, but about our... What is his name?

Devotee (1): Lieberman.

Prabhupada: No, Lieberman is his original name.

Satsvarūpa: Amarendra.

Prabhupada: Amarendra.

Satsvarūpa: Yes, he said he's dominating the...

Prabhupada: Ah?

Satsvarūpa: He's dominating the public attention.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is very success. [break] ...that he's dominating?

Satsvarūpa: That's what he wrote in his letter.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Satsvarūpa: He thinks that he's going to win. [break]

Prabhupada: ...that these rascal leaders, they cannot give us any comfort. All over the world. Here in Gujarat, the students have insulted the leader, you know? Ah, so horribly. They have dragged the prime minister, chief minister, dragged him and set up and put him seated on a ass's back. In this way he was insulted.

Mahamsa: Prime minister.

Prabhupada: The chief minister.

Mahamsa: The chief minister.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Devotee: This was in Jerusalem?

Prabhupada: Ah? No, no. Gujarat, here.

Devotee: Gujarat.

Prabhupada: The next province. [aside:] Hare Krsna. [break] ...speaking all the words that he has learned from me. Very good. Very nicely he's presenting.

Mahamsa: He's an elderly gentleman?

Prabhupada: No, no, only twenty-five. [break] ...they have got the all these culprits, the burglars, the thieves, they should be punished exemplary. [chuckles] Due to his effort. Yes, that should be done. [break] One telegram: "Come immediately Bombay. Everything will be all right. Krsna will blessed you." [break] I mean to say intelligent in their part, they'll at least give a chance to him. Yes. [break] ...doing all right.

Satsvarūpa: He said he didn't feel well. He was not going to take the walk.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Satsvarūpa: He said he felt too...

Prabhupada: He has come.

Satsvarūpa: Oh.

Prabhupada: That he thinks always, not to take walk. But when he takes, that is good. [break] ...dharma, what is dharma, religion.

Mahamsa: I was not there yesterday.

Prabhupada: Oh, you were not there. So what arrangement is made now?

Mahamsa: I got all the bus tickets for the devotees...

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Mahamsa: ...and for the plane tickets there was a little difficulty. I don't know how many plane tickets are available yet, but I definitely got minimum two. I don't know if I'll be able to get four, but I'm trying. I'm first on the waiting list, so I hope we can get four tickets. [break]

Prabhupada: ...how nice program.

Mahamsa: Yes, I told him to send a telegram in any case, but he has not sent. But if the..., if the program was not nice, then he would have definitely sent some message to cancel the program. [break]

Prabhupada: ...get help from them by his bogus program.

Mahamsa: Yes.

Prabhupada: Vishva Hindu Parishad. What is this nonsense Vishva Hindu...? [chuckles] He does not know what is the meaning of Hindu. And his jnana-yajna. Gita jnana yajna. He does not understand even a word of Gita, and this rascal is preaching Bhagavad-gita. This is going on. And he has made some name, people after him. People means if you flatter him, that "Whatever you are doing, it is all right."

Mahamsa: They will...

Prabhupada: Then they will be very much pleased. And as soon as you criticize, that "You are doing this wrong. You will suffer," "Oh, yes, this Swamiji is not... Conservative." That is going on everywhere. In the name of religion you do all nonsense rascaldom, and if the leader approves, "Yes, you can do." Vivekananda did it. Vivekananda did it. "Yes, there is no difference between eating meat and not meating eat in terms of religious system." He preached this, and all the sannyasis of Ramakrishna Mission, they eat meat, they drink, they have woman secretary, and everything. This Chinmayananda also like that. I know his whole history. Unless one is purely Krsna conscious, one cannot give up all these bad habits. This is the test. Bhaktiḥ paresanubhavo viraktir anyatra ca [SB 11.2.42].

One... Unless one is substantially advanced in krsna-bhakti, they cannot give up this material attachment-illicit sex, meat-eating. They cannot. It is impossible. So even in the name of svami and big, big yogis... They are doing all these things. Especially those who go in foreign countries. And in USA illicit sex is very cheap. Everything is very cheap. Yes. Intoxication very cheap, meat-eating very cheap, gambling very cheap. So when they get this cheap amenities, they forget their so-called spiritual life.

Aksayananda: Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Aksayananda: One of our friends went and heard Chinmayananda, and he came back to the temple and he said, "Oh, he was speaking very nicely."

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Aksayananda: So Mahamsa Swami said, "What did he say?"

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Aksayananda: "I do not know." [laughs]

Prabhupada: Who is he?

Mahamsa: Hariprasad's sons. [laughs]

Prabhupada: Oh.

Mahamsa: Rai Krishan[?].

Prabhupada: That is the disease.

Aksayananda: Yes.

Mahamsa: They just speak very big words so that the language looks very nice, but people don't understand a word what they are saying.

Prabhupada: [Prabhupada talks meaningless words, imitating the rascals; devotees laugh] They go on speaking like this. And people, "Oh, how amazing!" You simply give some grammatical form and talk all nonsense, people will appreciate it. Jugglery. This is called jugglery. The Mayavadi panḍitas also do that. All the Mayavadis are against me, because I am talking about Bhagavad-gita as it is, and they screw their own meaning by jugglery of words. So they are all enemies. The Mayavadi sannyasis, smarta-panḍitas, all of them. [break] ...ananda has constructed a siva-lihga temple.

Mahamsa: Siva-lihga.

Prabhupada: Siva-lihga. You have seen siva-lihga?

Mahamsa: Yes.

Prabhupada: A temple of... There are so many hundreds and thousands of Siva temples, but nobody has exhibited siva-lihga, big siva-lihga on the head of the temple.

Aksayananda: Where is that, Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: It is in Bombay. And he's speaking on Gitar Gan. Gitar Gan means to construct a big siva-lihga temple. He's proving himself a rascal by his activities. He is a rascal number one. He has gone many times foreign countries, but not a single foreign student he has got. [break] ...from atheistic fools who are not prepared to follow any rules and regulation, they are after him. Yes.

Aksayananda: That Sai Baba too...

Prabhupada: Yes. Everyone.

Aksayananda: Many of those young boys and girls, they are potential devotees. They are just in it for a bit of fun. A bit of fashion or fun.

Prabhupada: Similarly Rajneesh. [break] ...very good intelligence, Lieberman.

Satsvarūpa: Yes.

Prabhupada: Yes, he's speaking very nicely. He's fit for that position. Similarly our..., what is his name?

Satsvarūpa: Balavanta.

Prabhupada: Balavanta. He is also very nice. [break] If we get some important votes in the government, then our mission will be successful. This our philosophy is being properly ventilated. It is coming in the papers, you see. On account of this political leadership. And I see that his statements are published profusely. Not with other contemporaries. And what they'll speak? They have no sense, they have no leadership idea.

Satsvarūpa: Some devotees express a fear that after some time all these bogus groups, they will start running political men, too, and then the field may be ruined, that...

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Satsvarūpa: Soon, they say, especially the boy yogi, he always follows whatever we do. When we go out and distribute books, they do; when we have kirtana, they do. So there's the fear that soon they'll all be running for office, all these bogus men, because we are doing.

Prabhupada: But they cannot say anything.

Mahamsa: Yes.

Prabhupada: They have... This, the followers of the Bala Yogi, they're simply rascals.

Devotee: They'll just be more exposed... They'll have to study your books to find out what to say.

Prabhupada: They cannot even speak... Ah?

Devotee: They'll have to study your books to find out what to say.

Prabhupada: Yes. Just like our..., what is this? Sai, Sai, Siddhasvarūpa. He also tried to imitate ourself, and by reading, reading, he became my disciple. That's all. Although he has the same mentality still, still he does not find any better solution than in our philosophy. The Karandhara, he went away [chuckles] and does not find any solution. You see?

Satsvarūpa: "I find no alternative to Krsna's service," he said.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is the final. Bahūnam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate [Bg 7.19]. That is final. [break]

Mahamsa: ...would start all over the world?

Prabhupada: Oh, yes.

Mahamsa: We should endeavor?

Prabhupada: If we'll be successful in America, then all over, everywhere it will be followed. [break] So give him some instruction.

Mahamsa: [Hindi]

Prabhupada: Yes.

Mahamsa: Today one very big minister is going to come.

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Mahamsa: He was a minister. His name is Channa Reddy.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Mahamsa: He used to be running for the chief ministership. He's very, very popular, but there was some mischief he did, for which he was taken to court and exposed.

Prabhupada: What is that mischief he did?

Mahamsa: I don't remember exactly, but he was taken to court and exposed, and he was expelled from entering into any...

Prabhupada: Party.

Mahamsa: ...any elections for five years. So now his period is finishing, his five years is finishing, and he is going to stand again, and it seems that he's very, very popular, he has a good chance. And he's our Life Member...

Prabhupada: Oh, he's our Life Member?

Mahamsa: Oh, yes.

Prabhupada: He studies our books?

Mahamsa: Oh, yes, he has taken our books, and he especially asked that "I am reading these books and please give me." And he attended all the three days of the Exhibition Grounds.

Prabhupada: Oh.

Mahamsa: [aside:] You maybe remember, no?

Devotee: Yes.

Mahamsa: Channa Reddy. He's very nice. He'll be coming today at ten o'clock. [break]

Prabhupada: ...defect of the modern politicians. Here at the present moment, their philosophy is that one must be very cunning diplomat, then he's successful politician. This is their philosophy. The most crooked man, like Canakya. But our philosophy is that the political head should be like Maharaja Yudhisthira, Lord Ramacandra. That is difference. Here Churchill or Hitler or similar man, crooked man... Without being crooked one cannot become politician. Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister, he said that "Consistency in politics is the qualification of an ass." Consistency. You must change. [break]

Mahamsa: ...you should never trust a politician. So if you cannot trust a politician, why we elect him as a leader? Why should he be a leader?

Prabhupada: Yes. No, "Do not trust" means you are also not trustworthy. Nobody trusts you, and you should also not. That is their philosophy. All these big, big politicians... Just like United Nation. The same philosophy is going on. Nobody trusts anyone, but they speak big, big. [break] [pause]

Aksayananda: Did he mean because the politicians will degrade... [break] [end]