730812SB.PAR
Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.5.1-2

Paris, August 12, 1973
(This lecture was translated into French. Srila Prabhupada speaks a few sentences, Jyotirmayi-devi dasi translates this, and then Srila Prabhupada continues. Jyotirmayi-devi dasi also translates the questions and answers at the end of the lecture)
Prabhupada:
This evening I shall explain to you some of the important verses from Srimad-Bhagavatam. Srimad-Bhagavatam is the greatest contribution of Vedic literature. In the Vedic literature we find a desire tree. Whatever knowledge you want to derive, there is in the Vedic literature, and Srimad-Bhagavatam is described as nigama-kalpa-taror galitam phalam [SB 1.1.3], the desire tree of Vedic literature, and a tree is eulogized on account of the fruit. So Srimad-Bhagavatam is the ripened fruit of that desire tree. Just like, God has given our food, nice milk, fruits, food grains, sugar, rice, wheat, so many nice things. So we are not meant for eating stool. But at the present moment we have discovered a civilization that every man is work, is to work very, very hard day and night, and he is satisfied only in sex intercourse. This is the tendency of this material world. For sense gratification one is advised to work hard, day and night, like asses, dogs and hogs.
Therefore Rsabhadeva advises His sons, "My dear sons, do not waste your valuable body, human form of body, like the dogs and hogs." Then what, what is the purpose of human life? If we are not meant for living like the dogs and hogs, then what is the standard of human life? The answer is tapo divyam putraka [SB 5.5.1]. "My dear son, this life is meant for tapah." Tapah means austerity. Tapah another meaning is that temperature. Just like if we go in front of the fire, or if you go in the open sunlight, we get some temperature. That is called tapah, or tapah, sometimes it is called tapah, temperature, Yes. So this tapah means some temperature. (aside:) Why it is not working? That means voluntarily we have to accept some tapah, or little temperature. So generally the animal, they are meant for sense gratification, but human life has to practice tapasya to control sense gratification. Just like we are prescribing to our disciples: no illicit sex life, no intoxicants, no meat-eating, and no gambling. No illicit sex means, just like the dogs and hogs, they have no consideration with whom they're having sex intercourse. The hog especially, pig. He does not discriminate whether sister, mother, or anyone, you see. So tapah means... We are accustomed to so many, I mean to say, sinful activities, so we have to restrain from them. So tapasya, accepting voluntarily some painful situation, that is required. Say for (example) I am accustomed to smoke or to drink wine. So, I have to give it up. This is meant for human life. I have to give it up. Although I shall feel some pain in the beginning, but still I have to tolerate it. This is called tapasya.
In the western countries to give up these habit is little difficult, because about forty years ago, one of my brother, God-brother, came to London and he had a talk with Marquis of Zetland, and the Lord inquired from him whether he can be converted into a brahmana. He inquired from my God-brother whether he can be made into a brahmana, brahmana. So our God-brother said, "Yes, you can be converted into a brahmana if you give up these habits, namely illicit sex, intoxication, meat-eating, and gambling." The gentleman's reply, Lord Zetland, "It is impossible." So that means he was not prepared to accept the tapasya. Voluntarily, abnegation. But here Rsabhadeva says that the human life is meant for tapasya, and not for living like pigs, hogs, and dogs. Next he says tapo divyam [SB 5.5.1], because tapasya means to accept voluntarily some painful situation. It is not very much painful, but they consider. But we are undergoing already, some painful situation working day and night. To satisfy the senses that also requires tapasya, hard labor, but here Rsabhadeva says that you accept some painful condition. It is not at all painful, but it appears. Tapo divyam, for God realization. [break] ...that everyone is working hard day and night, but that is for sense gratification. Similarly, if you take little trouble, if you accept voluntarily some painful condition for realizing God, divyam, that is the human mission. Now the question may be raised that both ways I have to accept some painful situation, so why shall I accept painful situation for realizing God? For material sense gratification, although I am working very hard, I am getting, immediately, some pleasure, sense pleasure. So why shall I work hard or accept some painful situation for realizing God which is unknown and fictitious to me? So the reply is, tapo divyam putraka yena suddhyed sattvam [SB 5.5.1], "My dear boys, if you accept a little trouble for realizing God, then your existential condition will be purified."
What is the use of purifying? There is need. If you purify, purify yourself, existentional condition, then you will be saved from the four kinds of troubles or miseries of life, namely birth, death, old age and disease. So God realization means spiritual realization. So Rsabhadeva says tapo divyam putraka yena sattvam suddhyed [SB 5.5.1], by purification of your existentional condition you enjoy brahma-saukhyam. After all, we are searching after happiness, pleasure. So on account of our impure existential condition, our so-called happiness is temporary. Brahma-saukhyam means, here again, yena sattvam suddhyed, when your existence is purified. Now we have got impure existence, this material body. When we get our spiritual body, that is called purified. So Rsabhadeva says sattvam yasmad brahma-saukhyam anantam. As soon as you get your spiritual body, then there is unlimited happiness. We are, after all... In the Vedanta-sutra it is said that the living entity or God, both of them are for enjoying life, blissful life. Just like when you are diseased, you have got some fever. So, you cannot enjoy life. Similarly in this diseased condition of material existence we, actually, we cannot enjoy life. Therefore, if we purify our existential condition by tapasya, then we come into our spiritual existence and we can enjoy our life eternally. [break] ...therefore, that when we have got this human form of life, we shall not waste it simply for sense gratification like the dogs and hog. We should practice tapasya, restrain, and then we purify our existence and we are situated in a position wherein we can enjoy blissful life forever.
Now the process is prescribed how to execute this tapasya life. Rsabhadeva says, mahat-sevam dvaram ahur vimuktes, to get liberation, liberated from this entanglement of material life, one has to serve mahat, great saintly person. [break] Mahat-sevam dvaram ahur vimukteh [SB 5.5.2], vimukteh means for liberation. If you want to get liberation from this material bondage, repetition of birth, death, old age, and disease, and not only that, so long we live there are so many miserable conditions of life. This is called material existence. If we want to get out of this entanglement, then we must take to the service of great saintly personalities. So, that is the way for liberation, mahat-sevam dvaram ahur vimuktes tamo-dvaram yositam sangi-sangam. There are two, just like we are in the crossroad, which way we shall go? That can be understood in this human form of life. This human form of life, we have come to this point by evolution. Now we are on the, just on the crossroad, whether we shall go this way or that way. If we want to be free from the entanglement of material misery, then here it is recommended, mahat-sevam. We must render service to the holy, saintly person and if you want to go deeper and deeper in the darkest region of existence, then we should turn our face for sense gratification.
So the instruction is very long, so (to) make it shorter I beg to inform you that this Krsna consciousness movement is trying to save person from going to the way of darkness. [break] ...go farther and farther on the path of darkness we become more and more entangled. More entanglement means: there are 8,400,000 forms of body. So after death we have to accept another body. [break] ...in the Bhagavad-gita, tatha dehantara-praptir dhiras tatra na muhyati [Bg. 2.13], as we are passing from one body to another in this life... I was a child, you were a child, everyone, but that child body is no more existing. I am existing in a different body, and I have to pass through many different bodies. So this is also dehantara-praptih, changing the body. So similarly after death we shall change the body. Dehantara-praptih means to accept another body. Now as I have already said, there are 8,400,000 forms of bodies. So we have to accept one of them at the time of death on the basis of our mental condition. So if we are accustomed to the beastly mentality like dogs and hog, then naturally we are going to get such body. But if we practice during this life, human form of life, while we are intelligent enough, godly life, then you are going back to home, back to Godhead. It is up to us to decide whether we are going to the dogly life or Godly life, that is our choice. According to the instruction of Rsabhadeva, he says that this human form of life is a chance to practice Godly life and go back to home, back to Godhead. (aside:) What is the time now?
Devotee: (indistinct)
Prabhupada: Hm?
Devotee: Should we ask for questions?
Prabhupada: So we are in the juncture. Now it is up to us to decide whether we are going back again to the cycle of birth and death, from one body to another, or go back to home, back to Godhead, attain eternal body, blissful life. So the path is described very distinctly, mahat-sevam dvaram ahur vimuktes. If you want to get out of this entanglement, then we must associate with saintly personalities. [break] ...to go back in the cycle of birth and death, then we may associate with person who are addicted to sense gratification. So now there are description, very long description, who is saintly person, who is not saintly persons, so it will take much time.
We should request you, we have opened this branch of Krsna consciousness movement just to give chance to everyone to come here and associate with the saintly devotees, and make your life very successful. I shall finish this lecture by reading one line only. The symptoms of saintly person is given, mahantas te sama-cittah prasanta vimanyavah suhrdah sadhavo ye. Who is saintly personality? That is given here, mahantas te sama-cittah. Sama-cittah means they are equipoised, means they're not agitated by the worldly activities. That means, it is described in the Bhagavad-gita, brahma-bhutah prasannatma [Bg. 18.54]. This, one of the qualification is sama-cittah, not disturbed by worldly activities, because in the worldly activities either you make some profit or you make some loss. So our position is when we get some profit we are very jubilant, but when we are losing something we are very morose, unhappy. But a mahanta is equipoised. He is neither very happy when he makes profit, neither at all sorry when he makes losses. This is the first sign. Mahat-sevam, mahantas te sama-cittah prasanta. Prasanta means very peaceful. This is another qualification. Mahantas te sama-cittah prasanta, vimanyavah, he is never angry. Suhrdah, and he's a well-wisher. He's well-wisher not only for the human beings, suhrdam sarva-bhutanam [Bg. 5.29], for all living entities. Like this person just, who are very friendly to the human being, but they sell the poor animals to the slaughter-house. Saintly person. Saintly person is suhrdam sarva-bhutanam, for all living entities he's friend. Suhrdah and sadhavah. Sadhavah means well-behaved. Sadhavah sadhu-bhusanah, well-behaved. The well-behavior is described in the sastra, to become a devotee of the Lord. [break] ...of saintly person is to become devotee of the Lord. [break] ...finish this now. You can ask if you have got any questions.
Jyotirmayi: He's asking what does it mean to serve God?
Prabhupada: Help what?
Jyotirmayi: What does it mean...
Yogesvara: Serve God. What it means to serve Him.
Prabhupada: You do not know the meaning of serving?
Jyotirmayi: So, he said, yeah I know what it means service. Service means that I must do something good...
Prabhupada: Yes!
Jyotirmayi: ...to someone. But what does that mean to serve God? If you are not able to do it, what exactly, why do we have to do it?
Prabhupada: No, you can do it. As you are serving your country, your family, or your friend. You are serving already. It is not that you are not serving. Similarly, you can serve God. Just like, we find from Bhagavad-gita, Arjuna. Arjuna served God, Krsna. He was a military man. So he was engaged in fighting. Krsna wanted him to fight for His interest, so he fought. That is service to God. Every position, as you are serving your country, your family, your friend, you can serve God also. [break] ...show you the example in every center, what we are doing. We are glorifying the Lord. We are preaching God's glory. We are publishing book for understanding God. We are cooking for feeding God. So many, all our activities are meant for serving the Lord, that's all.
Jyotirmayi: So his question is, if we glorify God every day, all the time, then is God going to give us something back, something in return for our service?
Prabhupada: God is already giving you everything. (laughter). Even if you do not serve. He is so kind that even those who are not serving, He is supplying all the necessities. So when you serve God, whatever you want you will get.
Jyotirmayi: He says, so the service that we offer now, are we going to get it back in another life?
Prabhupada: No, in this life. Just like we, we are serving God, we have no profession, we have no business, we have no income, but Krsna is supplying all the necessities of life. Paying for this house two thousand dollars per month. We have got one hundred such centers. We are spending about one million dollars per month (laughter), but we have no fixed income. Krsna is supplying.
Jyotirmayi: He said, so I can understand that it's really God helps you.
Prabhupada: Now you can understand by common sense that if you serve somebody here, in this material world, he pays you some money, salary, and God is all powerful. If you serve Him, He'll not pay you? No problem. God is paying everyone, one who is not serving even. If you serve, He'll pay you sufficiently, don't bother.
Jyotirmayi: She says she thinks that we are a little exploiting God...
Prabhupada: Hm?
Jyotirmayi: Exploiting God.
Yogesvara: Exploiting God, she thinks...
Prabhupada: No, you should not approach for exploiting God. That is not good. But even if you go to God to exploit Him, that is also good. (laughter) Stop, stop. Because after all you are approaching God. Even with the purpose of exploitation, that is not good, but because you are reaching God that is very good. Just like in Christian religion we know that the prayer is "God, give us our daily bread." So God is supplying bread to everyone. It doesn't require to ask Him. But, he, because he is going to the church, and praying to the God, he is very good.
Jyotirmayi: She says that to ask like the Christian asking for their daily bread, it is something very difficult, very painful, so it is very tragical.
Prabhupada: No, these things are done by innocent person. One who does not know that God, without asking, He's supplying. There is no need of asking from God. Simply we have to render our service. The definition of devotional service is given in the Vedic literature, anyabhilasita-sunyam [Brs. 1.1.11], without any material desire. Serve God as a matter of duty. We serve our father as a matter of duty and the father takes care of the son, automatically. [break] ...does not serve father, he gives all necessities of life and what to speak of that son who is rendering service. [break]
Guest: ...serve God for our own religion besides chanting Hare Krsna, besides becoming a devotee?
Prabhupada: Yes, religion means to serve God. We are preaching that anyone who has learned how to serve God, how to love God, he belongs to first class religion. [break] ...care what is the name of that religion, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Mohammedanism, it doesn't matter. We see, we want to see the follower, whether he has learned to serve God, and to love God. That's it.
Jyotirmayi: So the question is that there was, a man was working a house yesterday, and he was killed doing his work, and he left his wife and two children, and this man was praying God every day. So what is going to happen now to them?
Prabhupada: His children will not die for want of her. [break] ...maintaining millions and millions of children, why not her?
Jyotirmayi: We saw that in India the people are not chanting Hare Krsna, now very poor, now dying of anger, oh, hunger, but there is those who are very rich, they are not religious at all. They do not chant Hare Krsna, but are very rich and they enjoy very much.
Prabhupada: Yes, but those who are chanting, they are not dying (laughter). I am Indian. I am not dying.
Guest: I am Indian. I am coming from Calcutta, from the (indistinct). I am seeing every day. This is the first time...
Prabhupada: But you do not know who are chanting.
Guest: Yes I know, I went...
Prabhupada: No, that's not, that I cannot accept.
Guest: Yes, yes.
Prabhupada: Those who are chanting, we have got branch in Calcutta, in Mayapur, in Bombay, in Vrndavana. None of our devotees are dying.
Guest: But I regret to say that in Mayapur, in Navadvipa also I saw there poor people dying.
Prabhupada: Uh huh. You...
Guest: ...myself constructing...
Prabhupada: So you simply inspect all the persons who are dying. You do not see who are living. [break] ...were in India, I asked the people here, we have got so many devotees in Europe, who is dying? Nobody is dying. It is simply propaganda.
Guest: I know nothing about Europe. This is the first time I'm coming to Europe, I know the problem. I was always in...
Prabhupada: But you are wrong informed. You are talking from Europe about India.
Guest: No, I was in India about one month ago and...
Prabhupada: But what is one month's experience, you have simply seen persons who are dying, that's all.
Guest: I am from Calcutta. I teach in Calcutta. I live in Calcutta. I am always in Bengal.
Prabhupada: So you have seen that all Calcutta men are dying?
Guest: Yes, poor people are dying.
Prabhupada: Ah, this is all lying propaganda. I don't believe it. I am also there. I am born in Calcutta.
Guest: I am not saying anything to contradict you, just explain to me...
Prabhupada: No, there is no contradiction. I am speaking that God is feeding even the animals, even the elephants, even the serpents, and why God will not feed the human kind. This is a wrong impression. Everyone has food fixed by God. Even if he is not serving God, God is supplying all the necessities, to the animals why not to the human being? This is wrong impression. [break] Yes? [break]
Jyotirmayi (translating for Guest): ...that at the beginning one, the word, and this word was God and this word was with God. So what is this word?
Prabhupada: God, God and God's word. They're identical. God's, God and God's form, God's quality. God's, I mean to say, entourage, everything is God. That is called absolute. As, when I speak, my speaking is different from me, so that is not the case with God. God's words, the vibration of God, that is also God. [break]
Jyotirmayi: ...name of God, can the name of God be pronounced, uttered?
Prabhupada: Yes, why not.
Jyotirmayi: God was existing before we could utter, we could pronounce, so how can you...
Prabhupada: So God, because existing, His name was also existing. Therefore, His name is not material name. Because God was existing, His name was existing. So God was existing before creation, therefore His name, His form, is not material.
Jyotirmayi: (If the) name of God is not material, how is it possible to pronounce it materially, with our material tongue?
Prabhupada: Yes, it is possible, when you are purified.
Guest: Has God put the suffering here for us to experience so that we will want to give up material lives and get closer to Him? Is it punishment?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Jyotirmayi: Is the God of love, does He punish man?
Prabhupada: Yes. God has got two business. Maintenance and punishment. That is stated in Bhagavad-gita, paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam [Bg. 4.8]. That the government has got the law to give protection to the obedient citizens, and to send the rascals to the prison house.
Jyotirmayi: She said that these laws, these laws are only laws which exist in the human world, but that God doesn't lave these lews.
Prabhupada: Human laws are imitation of God's laws. In the Vedanta-sutra it is said, janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1]. The absolute truth is that from where everything emanates. So this human law has come from God. It is only imitation, imperfectly presented, but the principle is the same. [break]
Guest: Who is Guru Maharaj-ji? (laughter)
Prabhupada: I do not know him. (laughter). [break]
Jyotirmayi: ...chant Hare Krsna with also Hare Rama. Why are we talking about the Rama in this mantra?
Prabhupada: Rama is also God, another name of God. Rama means the "who enjoys." Krsna means "who attracts." So God is the supreme enjoyer, therefore He is called Rama. And God is the supreme attractor. He attracts everyone, therefore He is called Krsna. So the names are on the quality of God. You have already questioned. Yes.
Devotee: There's a gentleman in the back, over there. [break]
Jyotirmayi: ...to know, that to explain exactly what is materialistic life, and how is it possible to be in the world of matter and the same time not be entangled by it?
Yogesvara: What is material life and how can we live in this material...
Prabhupada: Material life means no knowledge of God, no service of God. That is material life.
Yogesvara: He wants to know how can we live in this material world without becoming entangled.
Prabhupada: That he cannot know, God, by living here. You are trying to know so many things, why don't you try to know God? Material life means one who does not know God, one who does not serve God. These are the two things. So if you know God and if you serve God, that is not material life. So if you try to know God, and if you serve God, that is not material life. [break]
Guest: ...to know the will of God.
Prabhupada: You want to know? That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66], you give up all other occupation, simply surrender unto Him. That's all. This is the way. (end)

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