But we do not depend on the theories. We depend on the Vedic conclusion. We do not require to make any research. Just like ordinarily we say there are 900,000 forms of body in the water. We get it from Vedic knowledge. Jalaja nava-laksani. Now, the biologists, let them confirm it. Or deny it. Because... They cannot confirm it because their knowledge is experimental. Unless they find it actually, by actual experience, that there are so many living forms within the water, they cannot say yes. Neither they are able to find it out. Is it not the position? First of all, if we say to the biologists that "There are 900,000 different forms of life or species within the water," they will say, "How it is you are affirming in, so positively, without experiment, without research?" They'll say. Then we'll ask, "Then you say." That they cannot say. This is their position. They'll say, "In future..." Future, there is no question. You do not know now. Admit this. So this is their position. Therefore this experimental knowledge is always imperfect. Always imperfect. It cannot be perfect. Because our experience, our power of perception, advancement of knowledge, they are imperfect. They are deficiency.

Therefore, for perfect knowledge, you have to approach the perfect. We accept Lord Krsna as the perfect, and His bona fide representative is also perfect. How he is perfect? Krsna may be perfect, one may admit, but how his bona fide representative is also perfect? So the answer is the bona fide representative of Krsna, he does not say anything beyond Krsna. That is perfect. He may be imperfect. It doesn't matter. But he is receiving knowledge from the perfect, and he's simply repeating that knowledge. That is the instruction of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Yare dekha tare kaha, kaha krsna-katha. Yare dekha tare kaha krsna-katha.

Here it is said that idam hi pumsas tapasah... Every knowledge... Just like here is our Dr. Svarupa Damodara. He has got the doctorate title. We have seen your book. It is a learned scholarship, research work. So that is nice. But he has admitted the original cause is Krsna. So we are asking everyone that "Whatever knowledge you have got..." It doesn't matter whether you are a chemist or physicist or an engineer or medical man... Any... There are so many. Lawyer, politician. So many departmental knowledge. So one becomes doctor and expert by high research work. For the last... How many years you were in USA?

So anyway, everyone is getting knowledge, perfection, by tapasya, by austerity, by learned scholarship. So here it is said that, that these things are required for describing Krsna. These things are required for describing Krsna. Not only on the theory, but actually to prove that this knowledge is there, Krsna is full of all opulences, and... It is said... Jnana, jnana-vairagyayos caiva sannam bhaga itingana. Eh? What is the beginning? Aisvaryasya samagrasya viryasya yasasah sriyah (Visnu Purana 6.5.47). Krsna means He's the full opulent Personality of Godhead with all riches, all reputation, all beauty, all knowledge. That you have to prove. Any department of knowledge, you have to prove that it..., this knowledge is coming from Krsna. Sarva-karana-karanam [Bs. 5.1].

"Krsna" means... When I say "Krsna," Krsna means God. God is one. That is Krsna. Others, they admit that God is one. But they do not know who is that one God. That is their defect. That is the difference between us and others. They do not know... Just like if I say that "Have you got any father?" So he'll say, "Yes, I have got my father." "Now, who is your father?" "I do not know." That's not a very good credit. Because without father, mother, there is no existence. So everyone knows I have got a father. But who is my father, that I do not know. At least, in India, one who cannot say his father's name, immediately he becomes degraded. Just like the Jabala Satyakama. Jabala Satyakama, he, he was... He went to Gautama Muni, "Please initiate me." And according to Vedic conclu..., initiation is meant for the brahmana. Brahmana, ksatriya and vaisya. Not for the sudras. Sudras are not initiated. And in the Kali-yuga, because everyone is a sudra, therefore he's first of all given training to become a brahmana. Then the sacred thread is offered. This is the process. Because actually, initiation cannot be given to anyone except a brahmana. So kalau sudra-sambhavah: "In the Kali-yuga, everyone is sudra." That is to be accepted without any disagreement. Kalau sudra-sambhavah. Because they have no samskara. Asamskrtah kriya-hina mlecchah. One who is not undergone the reformatory processes, garbhadhana-samskara, upanayana-samskara... There are ten kinds of samskaras, reformatory. One who has not gone, or one who is not permitted to undergo the samskara, he's sudra. Samskarad bhaved dvijah. Everyone is born sudra. By reformatory method, he becomes twice-bornby the spiritual master and Vedic knowledge. Vedic knowledge is the mother, and spiritual master is the father.

In this way, the Jabala Upanisad... He was asked by his, by Gautama Muni, "Who is your father?" So he said that "I do not know." "Then go to your mother. Ask her." The mother could not say, that "I do not know who is your father. I have connection with so many men." So he came back to Gautama Muni, "Sir, my mother also does not know." She said that she had many connections, 'I do not who is particularly your father.' " But Gautama Muni immediately accepted him, "Yes, you are brahmana, because you are truthful. Nobody dares to say like that, that 'I do not know my father's name. My mother said that she had many connections.' " Because he was truthful, satyam samo damas titiksa, so by the quality, he was accepted immediately, and he was initiated, that "You have the qualities of brahmana." A brahmana will speak truth, even to his enemy. If the enemy comes, if a rogue comes, "How much money you have got in your box?" a brahmana will say, "Sir, I have got one hundred dollars." (laughs) Just like the other day, in the Customs examination in Bombay, so our Brahmananda Maharaja was asked, "What is the value?" "No, I have purchased it." "What is the value?" "Two hundred dollars." He did not say that "I am using it for long time." No. "It is new. I have purchased." That's all right. Yes. But Kali-yuga is so implicated that sometimes we have to speak the untruth. But it is the business of the brahmana to speak the truth. No untruth.

So, so in this way our proposition is that if we want perfection, then in whatever position we are, either I am a brahmana, or I am a ksatriya, or I am a vaisya, or I am a sudrait doesn't matter, if we simply take this vow, that Krsna is the original cause of everything... A sudra is also a, the original cause is Krsna. Krsna says in the Srimad-Bhagavatam that He is the cause of the sudras. You should not hate anyone, because everyone is born of Krsna. Aham bija-pradah pita [Bg. 14.4]. Krsna says. Sarva-yonisu. It doesn't matter in what form the living entity is there, but Krsna claims that He is the father, He is the father. So either brahmana or ksatriya or vaisya or sudra or mleccha, yavana, or white, black, European, Americananyonehe should know that the original cause is Krsna. This is perfection of life.

So we should not take anything neglectfully. Neither we should be careless to take care of Krsna's property, Krsna's living being, Krsna's house, Krsna's temple, Krsna's business, Krsna's... Everything Krsna's. Krsna. Isavasyam idam sarvam yat kinca jagatyam jagat [Iso mantra 1]. If we think like that, then that is perfect Krsna consciousness. Man-mana bhava mad-bhaktah [Bg. 9.34]. We may think, see varieties of things. It doesn't matter. But if we know that the original cause of this thing is Krsna, that is perfection. We are seeing this table. It is wood. But if we know... It is a fact. You know or not know, that doesn't matter. The original cause is Krsna. The microphone, the original cause is Krsna. These karatalas, the original cause is Krsna. This pitcher, original cause is Krsna. Everything. That is Krsna consciousness. And it is fact. Not that we are imagining. Just like... Take, for example, these material things. Material things, this table. It is... How it is caused by Krsna? Krsna says, bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh kham mano buddhir eva ca [Bg. 7.4]. Bhumi, this earth... Bhinna prakrtir me astadha: "That is My energy." So, so bhumi, the earth, is the cause of the tree, wood, and the wood is the cause of this table. Therefore, originally, Krsna is the cause of the table. There is no doubt about it. Anything you take. Either you take this wood or you take this water or this ether or chemical, the original cause is Krsna.

Now, to be ascertained, education, that why it is called Krsna is the origin. That is research work. How it has been...? Just like I give you the hint of research work that, Krsna says that "The earth is my energy, separated energy." And earth is the cause of the wood. And wood is the cause of the fire. Fire is the cause of melting... So many, so many. You can go. So idam hi pumsas tapasah...kavibhir nirupitah. Describe the attributes of Krsna. You can write. Just like you can write volumes of books on this table. If you are intelligent enough, you can make research work on the table. But in that research work, conclude that Krsna is the origin. A carpenter can, he can write about Krsna, if he's thoughtful. Anyone. Therefore it is said, yad-uttamasloka-gunanuvarnanam. Whatever your profession is there, you know that the original cause is Krsna. Now make research work and find out how Krsna is the original cause. That is education. That is wanted. Am I right?

So there are departmental knowledge. So by research work, when one understands that Krsna is the original cause of everything, then that is siddhanta. Therefore Caitanya-caritamrta karaca says that

So this verse is very important thing. And everyone should make research work. But a devotee, one who has concluded, one who has perfectly known that Krsna is the original cause of everything, he hasn't got to do anything. His business is finished. He doesn't require any more to go, undergo severe austerities to find out whether Krsna is cause or not cause. Because he has already known. He has already known. Aradhito yadi haris tapasa tatah kim [Narada-pancaratra]. No more tapasya. Chant Hare Krsna. But if you have got doubt, make research work. You'll have to come to the conclusion. But if you have concluded it, "Yes, Krsna is the original cause of everything," then your business is finished. Chant Hare Krsna. But if you have got doubt, then do it. That is your business. Don't be blind. Either you accept here the words of Krsna... Krsna says, "I am the original cause of everything." That's all right. If you believe that "Krsna says," it is all right. If you do not believe, then make the research and find out. That is perfection. In both ways you'll have to come to the...

Because the fact is fact. Either... Suppose somebody says, "Don't touch fire. It will burn your hand." If you accept it, your father's advice or your teacher's advice, "Don't touch fire," it is as good. And if you want to make research, "No, why shall I believe my father, my teacher. Let me experiment, touch," the result will be the same. Result will be the same. But if you want to make experiment, do it. But come to this conclusion, that Krsna is the original cause of everything. Then your life is perfect.

Thank you very much.

So in those days plague in Calcutta, plague was going on. So municipal declaration was any dead mouse brought to the municipal office, he'll be paid two annas. So he took that dead body of the mouse and took to the municipal office. He was paid two annas. So he purchased some rotten betel nuts with two annas, and washed it and sold it at four annas, or five annas. In this way, again, again, again, that man became so rich man. One of their family members was our Godbrother. Nandi family. That Nandi family still, they have got four hundred, five hundred men to eat daily. A big, aristocratic family. And their family's regulation is as soon as one son or daughter is born, five thousand rupees deposited in the bank, and at the time of his marriage, that five thousand rupees with interest, he can take it. Otherwise there is no more share in the capital. And everyone who lives in the family, he gets eating and shelter. This is their... But the original, I mean to say, establisher of this family, Nandi, he started his business with a red, a dead rat, or mouse.

That is actually fact, actually fact, that if one wants to live independently... In Calcutta I have seen. Even poor class vaisyas, and in the morning they'll take some dal, bag of dal, and go door to door. Dal is required everywhere. So in morning he makes dal business, and in evening he takes one canister of kerosene oil. So in the evening everyone will require. Still you'll find in India, they... Nobody was seeking for employment. A little, whatever he has got, selling some ground nuts or that peanuts. Something he's doing. After all, Krsna is giving maintenance to everyone. It is a mistake to think that "This man is giving me maintenance." No. Sastra says, eko yo bahunam vidadhati kaman. It is confidence in Krsna, that "Krsna has given me life, Krsna has sent me here. So He'll give me my maintenance. So according to my capacity, let me do something, and through that source, Krsna's maintenance will come." Just like we are maintaining so many people in the Krsna consciousness movement. So what business we are doing? But we are confident that Krsna will send us our maintenance. That confidence required. A sudra means he becomes disturbed. He becomes disturbed. "Oh, I have no employment. How shall I eat? Where shall I go? Where shall I live?" He has no faith in Krsna. The brahmana has got full faith. The ksatriya has got little less faith, the vaisya, little less faith, and the sudra has no faith. This is the difference.

So your question was that how we can know a sudra? That because everyone is now faithless and everyone is seeking after employment. Therefore... We may discuss in so many ways. Because people have become sudra, therefore the capitalists are exploiting them. If everyone denies to be, serve, then these so-called industries will fail. Immediately. That is Gandhi's proposal. "Noncooperate with the British government, and it will wind up." And actually so happened. Because people are now sudras, they depend for their bread to others, the others exploit them: "Come here. You work and I shall give you bread." They do not believe any more, "O God, give us our daily bread." They think that "This, our master give us daily bread." That is sudra. Sudra means one who is dependent on others. Paricaryatmakam karyam sudra-karma svabhava-jam. This is the description, definition of sudra. And vaisya: krsi-go-raksya-vanijyam vaisya-karma svabhava-jam [Bg. 18.44]. The vaisya is doing the krsi, agriculture. Why he should depend on...? Take some land from the government. You produce your food. Where is the difficulty? Keep some cows. You get milk. Vaisya-karma svabhava... Go-raksya. If you have got excess, then make trade. Why you should depend on others?

But they do not know. They want that "I shall go at ten o'clock in the office, and I shall do nothing. Simply I shall take the pen and make like this and take my salary." That's all. Cheating. This is going on. Therefore the whole system is polluted. Nobody's doing his duty. Catur-varnyam maya srstam guna-karma... [Bg. 4.13]. According to one's quality, one must work. But nobody wants to work. So therefore they are sudras. They are working, but at the care of somebody else. Not independently. Now the school, college, the teacher is also depending on salary. So they are sudras. So what teaching they will give? Teaching is the business of the brahmana. No salary. Formerly, all the brahmanas, they used to have that... It is called tola, catuspathi. Catuspathi. Brahmana, he'll sit down anywhere and invite that "If you like, you can come and take some teachings from me."

[break] "...as your production is there, give me twenty-five percent. I'll give you protection." That is ksatriya business. Brahmana's business, teaching. And vaisya: till the field, agriculture, get your food. Now, where is dependence? Only a sudra, he cannot take up all these things. "Give me some service, sir. Give me some service." In the modern education, they... The more and more industries increasing, there sudras are being trained up. Technology. Technology means he must get some service. Otherwise, useless. Simple life, teaching, brahmana; and ksatriya, give protection; and vaisya, till the ground. This is... Where is the question of scarcity? The scarcity is that nobody's doing his real duty. Guna-karma-vibhagasah [Bg. 4.13]. And people are exploiting. There is competition, dissatisfaction, fight. So many things, sinful activities. The whole society is polluted. Actually, the whole human society is now conducted by the sudras. But sudras cannot run on government. That is not possible. Because that sudra, your Nixon, is a sudra, he is exalted post, therefore everything is not in order.

So today is Baladeva avirbhava. Baladeva, in the strength. Nayam atma bala-hinena labhyah. You cannot understand, realize yourself without the help of Baladeva. Therefore in the Vedic literatures: nayam atma bala-hinena labhyah. You cannot become self-realized without the help of, without the mercy of Baladeva. Now, our Vivekananda Swami, he interpreted that "Unless you become stout and strong like the bulls and the buffalo, you cannot realize self." He interpreted like that. So he engaged people to make gymnastics, exercise. "You become very stout and strong, eat meat, and..." This is going on. This philosophy is going on. Bala-hinena... "Unless you become as strong as a tiger, you cannot realize yourself." This interpretation is going on. Bala-hinena labhyah. Therefore they are... Always they put this argument, that "Our countrymen is suffering. There is no food. First of all we must give them food, make them strong, stout. Then we shall talk about Krsna consciousness." Do they not say like that?

But,

Now, these European and Americans, they have enough heard about all these nonsense. Therefore they are anxious to hear about self-realization.

So we are giving education at the present moment to become sudras. Paricaryatmakam karyam sudra-karma svabhava-jam [Bg. 18.44]. To serve others. A brahmana will not serve anyone else. A ksatriya will not serve anyone else. A vaisya will not serve anyone else. Only the sudras. So at the present moment we are giving sudra education. Everyone is taking one application: "Give me some service." "No vacancy, sir." Therefore it is said, kalau sudra-sambhavah. In the Kali-yuga everyone is sudra. And how you can have good government by the sudras? Ksatriya required. Just like Maharaja Pariksit. He was touring. As soon as he saw one man is killing cow, "Who are you, rascal, killing cow in my kingdom?" Ksatriya. Give protection. Even to the cows. Praja means one who has taken birth in that land. Why he should not be given protection? But because they are sudras, they do not know what is the ksatriya's duty, what is the government's duty. This is the position. Am I right or wrong?

So as far as possible... Of course, our, this movement is creating brahmanas. People now require a brahmana, the head. Of course, we are not manufacturing anything. Everything is there. Everything is there in the sastra. We do not invent anything. Yah sastra-vidhim utsrjya vartate kama-karatah [Bg. 16.23]. The, we, are trying to follow as far as possible, and we are teaching that, that whatever is there...