Initiations & Wedding – October 1, 1969, Tittenhurst Park

691001IN-LONDON [78:20 Minutes]
London = Tittenhurst Park [25 miles west of London]

We don't require to be changed. We have got our eternal situation

Devotee: [background] Sri Guru, Krsna.

Prabhupada: First of all who are to be initiated? Yes, sit down.

Devotee (2): He wants to be initiated.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Devotee (2): He wants to be initiated.

Prabhupada: He wants, sit down. Who are to be initiated. Take.

Malati: Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna.

Prabhupada: Four another? Another place.

Devotee: Oh that's the sacred thread.

Prabhupada: Sacred thread, oh.

Devotee: Trivikrama [indistinct].

Devotee (2): Did he get one?

Devotee: Trivikrama [indistinct].

Prabhupada: Ah?

Devotee: They want.

Prabhupada: So they can sit down also. [Tinkling sound]

[mataji whispering]

Prabhupada: Just see how I am doing. One, two, three. Four. Begin.

Devotee: [japa].

Devotee (2): One two three and then...

Devotee: [japa].

Prabhupada: [break] So what is your news from London?

Syamasundara: Ah, Saci-suta[?].

Prabhupada: Eh?

Syamasundara: We have just [indistinct] pandal[?].

Prabhupada: Ah. Certificate you have got?

Syamasundara: Yes.

Prabhupada: Occupation, certificate?

Syamasundara: Yes.

Prabhupada: For three years?

Syamasundara: Two years.

Prabhupada: So you're renovating work is going on there?

Syamasundara: Yes.

Prabhupada: Hm. Right-hand, right-hand. Should be [indistinct]. It should be.

Devotee: Like this?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Devotee: [japa]

Prabhupada: Where is Purusottama?

Devotee: [japa]

Devotee (2): Jaya-ya!

Prabhupada: [Chants the following mantra with devotees repeating responsively]

You can chant Hare Krsna.

Devotees: [japa]

Prabhupada: Do again. Come on.

Devotees: [japa]

Not see? How? Then why you're keeping in your hand, the pot. Do like. Keep it in my hand, you should be intelligent, how to do it. Finish. I told you that you see, all of you see how I am doing. But why you're keeping this pot in your hand? Minor things if you cannot follow then other things, how you will be able to follow? Now do it, do it. Finish it. Do it as you like if you cannot follow what can I do?

Kulasekhara: Three drops.

Devotee (2): Drink?

Devotee: Now one more. [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Yes! That's it. Now chant Hare Krsna. Yes that's it. Chant Hare Krsna.

Devotees: [japa]

Prabhupada: [Chants the following mantra with devotees repeating responsively]

Again see, one, three, four.

Devotees: [japa]

Devotee:

Prabhupada: You get beads?

Mataji: Oh!

Prabhupada: [Chants the following mantra with devotees repeating responsively]

Devotee: Hare Krsna!

Prabhupada: The purport of this mantra, mantra means-man means mind and tra means delivering. So every mantra means deliverance from the mental platform. In the material world, everyone is living on the bodily or mental platform. Those who are grossly materialists they are living on the bodily concept of life, "I am this body, therefore enjoy the senses as far as possible, that is my life."

This is bodily concept of life and those who are a little more advanced they are living on the mental platform, philosophy, speculation and poetry. Literature, like that. That is mental platform. Somebody is actually having sense gratification directly and somebody is reading about sense gratification and enjoying. So one is directly enjoying sense gratification, body to body, they are grosser and those who are enjoying on the mental platform they are subtler, that's all. But the field of activities are the same.

From mind we come to the gross platform, actually our this body develops on the mind, the situation of the mind. We prepare our next life, next body on the situation of the mind. At the time of death the mental condition will carry me to a different type of body. The example is given, just like air carries the flavor or odor, bad smell or good smell. According to the place the air is passing. If it is passing on a filthy place then it will carry some air which is obnoxious. I will say, "oh it is a bad smell."

Sarasvati: Oh!

Prabhupada: If it is passing on some rose flower garden then it will carry some nice flavor. I will say, "oh it is a nice flavor," you see? But this flavor is in subtle stage, similarly our mental condition will be carried. I am a spirit soul, I am covered in subtle body, mind, ego and intelligence and then my gross body develops.

This body of five elements. These things are very nicely explained in the Bhagavad-gita, seventh chapter. You should read very carefully. So material existence means to live on the mental platform that is transferring me or transmigrating. Helping me, transmigrating from one type of body to another.

Another type, another type, another type in this way the living soul is eternal but is entrapped by the material mind and gross elements and he is forced to change place. As you are changing our body even in this life from childhood to this grown-up body. So this is going on but actually we are spirit soul, eternal. We don't require to be changed. We have got our eternal situation. Therefore mantra means to get release from this gross and subtle stage of life. Mantra. Man means mind and tra means deliverance. Every mantra. All these Vedic mantras they are meant for that purpose. To deliver the living entity from the mental platform.

First of all we think in the mind then we strongly feel, then we will and then we act. Acting is the last stage, just like I want to construct a building. First of all I imagine, "Oh I shall construct such a nice building." Then I feel for it, then I will for it, then actually I begin the work and it comes up. In all activities. So, now what sort of feeling we should indulge in? That is the question.

If we indulge in this material feeling then we shall be continuing this change or continuing this transmigration from one body to another. And so long we are in this material body, maybe either in this body. Somebody you have got European body, somebody have got Indian body, somebody have some other body, animal's body, or demigod's body, or microbe's body. There are so many 8,400,000 species of body, but the spirit soul is one. Their quality is one but their... according to the mental status they are developing different types of body.

So mantra means to deliver one from. So what kind of mantra will deliver you? But this Visnu mantra because Visnu can give you deliverance. Visnu or the Supreme Lord, nobody can give you deliverance, only Visnu the Supreme Lord. Visnu means all pervading Personality of Godhead the Supreme Lord.

Take for example, just like one man is condemned to death, so according to law he is condemned to be hanged. Nobody can excuse him, nobody can excuse him but the king can excuse, he has got the prerogative. If the condemned person appeals to the king and if the king thinks it proper, "All right this man may be excused." Then it is, he can be excused. I think this is the law in your country also.

The supreme executive head can excuse. Similarly we are under the laws of material nature and we are entangling ourselves in such a way that it is very difficult for us to get out of this process of transmigrating from one body to another. It is very difficult. We are creating another body, another body, another body, another body, another body, this way. The only process to get deliverance from this entanglement of transmigration from one body to another is Visnu.

Therefore the initiation means to re-establish your eternal relationship with Visnu and thereby get yourself out of this material clutches and go back to Godhead, back to home and enjoy there eternal life of bliss and knowledge. This is Krsna Consciousness Movement. Krsna Consciousness Movement means to keep oneself always in Visnu consciousness or Krsna consciousness. Then at the time of death if he keeps his Visnu consciousness he will be immediately transferred to the Visnu-loka or Krsna-loka and his human form of life will be successful.

So, now this Visnu, this holy name of the Supreme Lord can be uttered by anyone, apavitraḥ pavitro va. Either he is in contaminated state or he is in liberated state it doesn't matter, he can chant: apavitraḥ pavitro vasarvavastham. Sarvavastham means in all conditions of life, it doesn't matter. But once it has begun you cannot check it then your progress will be hampered. Just like if you burn fire, ignite fire, immediately you get heat, there is no doubt about it. As soon as there is fire there is heat, you feel there is heat. But if you ignite fire at the same time pour water on it. Then how you can have blazing fire? No. It will be checked.

It will be checked, therefore if you want to keep the blazing fire you should not pour water which is against... Similarly, as soon as you utter the name of Visnu or Krsna you immediately become freed from all sinful activities. [indistinct]. The reaction of sinful activities.

Anyone who chants or remembers the Visnu, Lord Visnu. Jaḥ smaret punḍarikaksam sa vahyabhyantaram suciḥ, immediately he becomes purified freed from the contamination of all sinful activities. That is a fact. But if you again commit sinful activities then your progress will be checked.

We should always remember like that, don't think that because this chanting of Hare Krsna mantra will nullify the reaction of all sinful activities, so let me commit sin and again chant Hare Krsna it will be nullified. This is greatest offense, just like somebody goes to the church and he confesses his sinful activities. Of course in the church if one confesses his sinful activities, immediately nullified. But if you come out, again commit the same then what is this? This is not intelligence. This is not intelligence, if you have... just like you contaminate some disease and you go to the physician he gives you some medicine.

Your diseases is counteracted but again you contaminate and again come to the doctor, what is this business? This is not very good business, therefore everyone should be very careful that so long whatever I have done sinful activities, all, now it is washed off because I am now initiated to chant the Hare Krsna mantra. But don't commit it again. That is our warning, therefore our students are, I mean, pledged not to commit this four kinds of sin.

What is that? Illicit sex life, and meat-eating, intoxication and gambling. These are the four corners or four direction of sinful activities. If you indulge in these four things then your volumes of sinful activities will simply increase, now stop this. Stop this, close this door, don't enter again then this purificatory process will keep you in tact and your life will be successful.

Suciḥ, you are now being purified but don't commit any more sinful activities. That they are very simple things, illicit sex life. So in our society there is no allowance for illicit sex life. If you want sex life then you get yourself married and use sex life only for begetting nice children, Krsna conscious children. Just like these children are born from the very beginning they are becoming Krsna conscious. They are dancing, they are chanting in this way from the very beginning their life is purified.

So human life is meant for purification, this life is not meant for amassing, amassing more and more the resultant action of sinful life. So far animal life is concerned they are not... Just like if you violate laws because you are human being you are punished, but animal is not punished because they have no sense. If you keep your car, keep to the left, if you keep your car on the right side you are punished. But the if a dog goes from the right to the left, or the left to the right he is not punished because it is a dog. It is not under any law.

So every law is meant for human being, all scriptures, all Vedas, all law books, all statues books they are meant for human life. Not for animal life. The more we abide by the laws, the more we advance in human form of life. That is the principal and the more we disobey the laws, either the laws of nature, the laws of the state, any, or the laws of religion the more we become animal. Therefore in human life there should be restricted. Lawful life either in religious law or state laws or nature's laws then you will keep very fit for making progress in further developed consciousness. And the summit consciousness is Krsna Consciousness that is our original consciousness. Just like original sky means clear sky and the sky sometimes becomes cloudy, misty, foggy, that is not original.

Similarly except Krsna consciousness, except God consciousness, any other consciousness means cloudy, cloudy consciousness. Just like the sky, except clear sky whether it is cloud or mist or fog or something else, this is not clear. This is contaminated, similarly any other consciousness, except Krsna consciousness and what is Krsna consciousness or God consciousness? God is great I am small and I am dependent on God, this is Krsna consciousness or God consciousness. Never try to become that, "I am God, I am great," this is cloudy, misty.

How you are God? You cannot be God, you do not know what is God therefore you claim. There are so many rascals that claim that they are God. God is so cheap thing? No. God is great and I am small. Therefore my business is to abide by the order's of God, to become servant of God this is my actual life. And the more and we develop that life-the servant of God that is perfect life, that is perfect life.

The more we feel [chuckles], the more we act, as servant of God that is perfect life. And the more we feel that I am God, I am servant of my senses, I am servant of my country, I am servant of my society, I am servant of my dog and so many things. That is adulterated consciousness. You should always think that I am servant of Krsna, I am servant of God and act in that way.

So this initiation means beginning life in that consciousness, Krsna consciousness. Now it is up to you to develop or to degrade. The spiritual master duty is, "My dear boy, you write 'a' like this, this way." [indistinct]. So the spiritual master's duty is there. You do like that, you write like that, now if you write like this and practice it very nicely your handwriting becomes very nice and you are praised by everyone and you have become an educated literate man. Exactly like that a spiritual master's duty is to give you indication, direction, this is the way of spiritual realization.

This is the way of Krsna consciousness he is always prepared to help you. Now it is up to you to take chance, don't expect any miracles. You must work yourself for advancing in Krsna consciousness, it is a great science. So if you work sincerely and seriously then your life will be successful you will also meet Krsna face-to-face, just like we are meeting face-to-face. You will talk with Krsna, you will enjoy life with Krsna as the Krsna's cowherd boys, the gopis, or as Krsna's parents, or Krsna's other servants and friends.

Similarly you can become Krsna's friend, Krsna's servant but either you become friend or servant or lover or parent whatever you become, any relationship. That is the in transcendental platform there are all the same. On the same level that you will realize as you make advancement.

So mantra means, don't be mental speculator or... Try to follow the rules and regulation and instruction and don't go by the dictation of the mind then your life will be successful.

Devotees: Hare Krsna.

Prabhupada: [Chants the following mantras with devotees repeating responsively]

You're not chanting, here? You're not here? Try to chant loudly, yes. Hm.

I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, who is very dear to Lord Krsna on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.

Ah, then.

Devotees: Haribol!

Yamuna: Hari!

Prabhupada: Give me that list. [indistinct] Alright.

Read it, number eight. What is this? Eh?

Devotee: Our japa beads.

Mataji: Our japa beads.

Devotee: Yes.

Devotee: [japa]

Prabhupada: All right.

Devotees: [japa].

Prabhupada: Yamuna, take these flowers and decorate there.

Yamuna: Hare Krsna.

Prabhupada: Down, up... like that.

Devotees: [japa].

Prabhupada: [japa] ... Garland?

Devotees: [japa].

Prabhupada: Begins from the bigger side. The big bead. And chant like this:

Finish one then take one other and in this way come to this side. Don't cross, again begin from this. [indistinct].

Devotee: Deva.

Prabhupada: Purusottama, he will teach you. Eh?

Purusottama: Devadatta.

Prabhupada: Your spiritual name is Devadatta. Devadatta. D e v a d u tt a. Devadatta.

Devotees: Hare Krsna. Haribol!

Prabhupada: Come.

Devotee: Hare Krsna!

Prabhupada: Chant the mantra. Just chant.

Devadatta:

Prabhupada: So you remember, you know what are the restriction?

Devadatta: Yes.

Prabhupada: What is that?

Devadatta: No illicit sex, no meat eating.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Devadatta: No gambling. And no intoxication.

Prabhupada: Yes. So you shall follow, all this. You should follow these restriction and happy.

Devotees: Hare Krsna! Hare Krsna! Haribol! [japa].

Prabhupada: Don't touch on the ground, keep it like this, Make a, make a, make a bag, you have seen the bag. You can prepare bags, like that? You can prepare bag?

Purusottama: Make a bead bag.

Prabhupada: Yes, bead bag.

Devotees: [japa].

Prabhupada: [japa]. This platform. Yes. [japa]. [indistinct] no?

Yamuna: No sandalwood. [indistinct]

Prabhupada: This was meant for[?].

Yamuna: Big bloom, I like more...

Prabhupada: 108, you have counted 108 beads?

Devotees: [japa]. [Child crying]. [japa].

Prabhupada: [japa]. Make it nicely, tightly, kumbha.

Yamuna: I'll show him?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Yamuna: The knot.

Prabhupada: Yes. The same process, begin from the bigger one, come to this side. Again begin from here and come to this side. This 16 rounds, daily. Take all instruction from your god-sisters. One round. You know the mantras? Now, please chant.

Draupadi:

Prabhupada: Take it. What is her name?

Purusottama: Droopadi.

Prabhupada: Eh? Draupadi.

Devotees: Haribol!

Prabhupada: Take that. [Laughs] That's all right. [Laughs] But, Draupadi had five husbands.

Devotees: [Laughter]. Haribol.

Prabhupada: Don't imitate.

Devotees: [Laughter].

Prabhupada: [Laughs]. Ha, that's all right. So, so far you are married. Now you, your, his name is Devadatta?

Purusottama: Devadatta. And they have a little son.

Prabhupada: And Draupadi. So you just, stand up, how to accept her, tell her. Yes. Like that, yes.

Purusottama: Say [indistinct]?

Prabhupada: Yes, you know how. Tell that.

Purusottama: Devadatta prabhu [indistinct] Draupadi prabhu. Draup...

Devotee (2): Draupadi prabhu.

Devadatta: [indistinct] I don't.

Prabhupada: Why not? You're seeing always, you should know? Do.

Purusottama: Devadatta prabhu do you promise to take charge of Draupadi and protect her and take care of her.

Prabhupada: Then like him. Then like him. What he says, you say.

Purusottama: Does he say yes? I ask him and he says yes?

Prabhupada: Now, he, he repeat the words, what you say, you say "I Devadatta." You say like this. "I Devadatta." [indistinct], why don't you see [indistinct]? You say "I Devadatta." You say.

Devadatta: I Devadatta.

Prabhupada: Ah, I accept you.

Devadatta: I accept you.

Prabhupada: Draupadi as my wife.

Devadatta: As my wife.

Prabhupada: Yes, I shall take charge of you.

Devadatta: I shall take charge of you.

Prabhupada: For your life.

Devadatta: For your life.

Prabhupada: For your comfortable life.

Devadatta: For your comfortable life.

Prabhupada: And Krsna consciousness.

Devadatta: And Krsna consciousness.

Prabhupada: You say, you say. I Draupadi.

Draupadi: I Draupadi.

Prabhupada: I accept you.

Draupadi: I accept you.

Prabhupada: As my husband, as your wife. To serve you.

Draupadi: To serve you.

Prabhupada: Why don't you say? To serve you.

Draupadi: As my wife to serve you.

Prabhupada: Everyone should hear. This is a promise. And to serve you.

Draupadi: And to serve you.

Prabhupada: Throughout my whole life.

Draupadi: Throughout my whole life.

Prabhupada: There will be no separation.

Draupadi: There will be no separation.

Prabhupada: In any condition.

Draupadi: In any condition.

Prabhupada: Either in distress or in happiness.

Draupadi: Either in distress or in happiness.

Prabhupada: And we shall live together peacefully for Krsna consciousness.

Draupadi: And we shall live together peacefully for Krsna consciousness.

Prabhupada: That's alright. Now change your garlands. Yes.

Devotees: Haribol! Hare Krsna!

Prabhupada: Hare Krsna, now you come to this side you go to that side. Like that. And you cover the head.

Draupadi: Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Yes?

Draupadi: We have a little boy, Dylan.

Prabhupada: That's all right. Boy cannot see the marriage of father and mother.

Devotee: [Laughs]

Prabhupada: That's all right. [Laughs] It is not good that boy shall see the marriage of father and mother.

Draupadi: No! [Laughs]

Devotees: [Laughter].

Prabhupada: Yes. Boy is expected to come out after the marriage. Yes, well that's all right, now everything is in order, now you can take charge of your boy and go home. Yes.

Devadatta: Could we have a name for the...

Prabhupada: Your name is Devadatta.

Devotee: For the boy.

Purusottama: Dhruvananda.

Prabhupada: Dhruvananda.

Draupadi: Haribol!

Prabhupada: Dhruvananda, yes.

Devotees: [Offering of obeisances]

Prabhupada: Now your turn, your father and mother is present? Come here. So you agree to this marriage?

Father: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Your boy is being married with this girl. So you agree?

Father: Yes.

Prabhupada: Do you like this marriage?

Father: Yes.

Prabhupada: You give permission to your boy?

Father and Mother: Yes.

Prabhupada: That's all right.

Devotees: [Laughter].

Prabhupada: That's all right. So you can say. Say the mantras.

Purusottama: I Kulasekhara.

Kulasekhara: I Kulasekhara.

Purusottama: Promise to take charge of you Visaka.

Kulasekhara: Promised take charge of you Visaka.

Prabhupada: Oh a big yajna has to be performed, yajna.

Purusottama: Yes.

Prabhupada: Let them, let them take the boy and come again to perform the yajna, yes.

Purusottama: To take charge of you throughout my life.

Kulasekhara: To take charge of you throughout my life.

Purusottama: To help you in Krsna consciousness.

Kulasekhara: To help you in Krsna consciousness.

Purusottama: And there shall never be any separation.

Kulasekhara: And there will never be any separation.

Purusottama: Through distress or happiness.

Kulasekhara: Through distress or happiness.

Prabhupada: You say. I.

Purusottama: I Visaka dasi.

Visaka: I Visaka.

Purusottama: Promise to be your wife throughout my life.

Visaka: Promise to be your wife throughout my life.

Purusottama: And to help you.

Prabhupada: Serve you.

Devotee: And to serve you.

Visaka: And to serve you.

Prabhupada: Throughout my life.

Visaka: Throughout my life.

Prabhupada: There will be no separation.

Visaka: There will be no separation.

Prabhupada: Ah. And we shall live together peacefully in Krsna consciousness.

Visaka: And we shall live together peacefully in Krsna consciousness.

Prabhupada: Either in distress or in happiness.

Visaka: Either in distress and happiness.

Prabhupada: Alright. Now you can change your garlands.

Devotees: Hare Krsna! Haribol! [Offering of obeisances]

Prabhupada: Now change, change your seat. Let her come to the left side, wife is the left side husband is the right side. They are one body.

Devotee: Jaya!

Prabhupada: Yes. Come on. Now if you can bow down to your father and mother, you can go to show your respect's to your father and mother. Your father and your mother. See, you can offer your blessings to them. You, you offer your blessings to them. Blessings, you offer your blessings. Good it[?] yes. You are fortunate to have a son like this, chanting Hare Krsna. Yes.

Mataji: Haribol! Hare Krsna!

Devotees: [japa].

Prabhupada: Then let us perform this... Chant Hare Krsna. All chant Hare Krsna.

Devotees: [japa].

Prabhupada: It should be [indistinct].

Devotees: [japa].

Prabhupada: Very clean.

Purusottama: Yes Prabhupada.

Devotees: [japa].

Prabhupada: [Off mic now] Yes. [indistinct conversation]

Devotee: Jaya Sri Guru.

Devotees: [japa]. [breaking of sticks]

Prabhupada: What is this rice? It is rice?

Yamuna: Yes Srila Prabhupada, [indistinct].

Prabhupada: You could not seek out a [indistinct]

Yamuna: [indistinct]

Devotee: Well. [indistinct]

Prabhupada: Rice will not burn.

Yamuna: I [indistinct]

Devotee: Burning.

Prabhupada: You have got burning? Bring it.

Devotee: Show Malati.

Prabhupada: You have to. Why only four five colours [indistinct]. But you do not see [indistinct].

Devotee: No [indistinct].

Prabhupada: No, you told but you did not see that it is properly made. [end]