Initiations – September 1, 1972, New Vrindavan

720901IN-NEW VRINDAVAN [22:34 Minutes]

There are so many rascals, they are committing this offense

Prabhupada: [japa]

Kirtanananda: Has everyone finished?

[Prabhupada and devotees repeat]

Begin.

Prabhupada: Sa abahyabhyantaraḥ suciḥ.

Kirtanananda Maharaja: sa abahyabhyantaraḥ suciḥ. Or sabahyabhyantaraḥ suciḥ. Like that.

Kirtanananda: sabah...

Prabhupada: Not not sabah! sa bahya bhyantara-suciḥ. Like that. [japa] Where is that Indian boy who wanted to be initiated?

Kirtanananda: When he came up, I told him to go shave his head.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Kirtanananda: I told him last night to tell him. He didn't believe that he had to shave his head. So when he came up, I saw him; I told him again to go do it. [indistinct] He was hesitant. He didn't want to do it.

Prabhupada: Then he cannot be initiated.

Kirtanananda: I told him that.

Prabhupada: And that Indian who came from New York?

Kirtanananda: Yes, he's gone back. Bali-mardana didn't recommend him for brahmana initiation.

Prabhupada: [japa]

Kirtanananda: Everyone finished? om apavitraḥ [break]

Devotee: [indistinct]

Prabhupada: [indistinct] He has left.

Kirtanananda: Everyone finished? "Purified or unpurified. This mantra means unpurified..." [break]

Prabhupada: We cannot manufacture any...

Kirtanananda: They have to be bona fide.

Prabhupada: Yes, bona fide. Yes. That is accepted in the sastra.

Kirtanananda: [reading] "The third offense is to neglect the orders of the authorized acaryas or spiritual masters."

Prabhupada: This name is not different from the original Personality of Godhead, Krsna. That is Absolute Truth. Similarly, Krsna's form-we are seeing here Krsna's form-it is not different from the original Personality of Krsna. Or Krsna's pastimes-we hear about Krsna's pastimes from Srimad-Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita-that subject matter is also not different from Krsna.

Krsna is absolute. Anything about Krsna is Krsna. It will be realized gradually. For the time being you have to take it for acceptance that "I am chanting the holy name of Krsna. This means that Krsna is personally present on my tongue. Therefore I am in direct touch with Krsna." And we should be very careful so that we may not..., offense, commit offenses, as they are being described.

Another: Krsna has got many names, namnam akari bahudha nija-sarva-saktis [Siksastaka 2]. So of all the names, two names are very important: Rama and Krsna. Therefore in the Hare Krsna mantra, the Rama and Krsna are there, and Krsna's potency, Hare. So in the sastra it is said that one thousand names of Visnu... There is Visnu's one thousand names, visnu-sahasra-nama. If one chants Visnu's name-there are thousands-that is equal to one name Rama. And three times chanting the name of Rama is equal to one "Krsna."

Therefore we should take advantage to chant Hare Krsna. Although there are many names of Krsna, "Krsna" is the chief name, mukha, and Lord Caitanya chanted Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare / Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. So we should follow Lord Caitanya's footstep. Although Krsna has got many names, we should, by following the footsteps of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, we should take advantage of chanting this Hare Krsna mantra.

Go on.

Kirtanananda: "The sixth offense...

[break] ...usually it is said that one can be liberated from the..." [break]

Prabhupada: ...impure. There is English word like that. So that you may not fall a victim of sinful activities, you shall go on always chanting Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna [devotees complete chanting], not that after committing sin, you'll utilize Hare Krsna mantra to counteract it. Don't do that. That is a great offense.

Just to keep yourself aloof from sinful activities, you chant always Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, but don't utilize Hare Krsna mantra to counteract your sinful activities: "So I am..., I have got an instrument, Hare Krsna mantra, let me do all nonsense, and I shall chant in the evening Hare Krsna and it will neutralized."

Actually, they are doing. There are so many rascals, they are committing this offense, on the strength of Hare Krsna mantra. That is the greatest offense. They will never make any progress in spiritual life if I utilize Hare Krsna mantra for my material purposes.

Go on.

Kirtanananda: "The eighth..." [break]

Prabhupada: Chant the mantras first. Then I shall tell you all. Then after that, you can perform sacrifice. [break]

Kirtanananda:

[break] [japa]

Prabhupada: [break] What are the rules and regulation?

Devotee: To not eat meat, fish or eggs, to not gamble, to have illicit sex, and to not engage in any intoxication.

Prabhupada: Hmm. And how many rounds do you have to chant?

Devotee: At least sixteen a day.

Prabhupada: That's all right. Sixteen rounds. So your name is Atulananda. Atula means incomparable, and ananda means blissfulness. So Krsna is Atulananda. Chant.

Devotees: Jaya!

Nanda-kumara: John Swindler.

Prabhupada: Atulananda dasa brahmacari.

[aside:] He's brahmacari? [japa]

Nanda-kumara: Pyari-carana.

Prabhupada: Hmm? Pyari-carana?

Nanda-kumara: P-y-a-r-i.

John?

Prabhupada: [japa] What are the rules and regulation?

John: No intoxication, no meat-eating, no gambling, no illicit sex life, and chanting at least sixteen rounds a day.

Prabhupada: And no intoxication, also. Hmm. So your name is Pyari-carana. Pyari is another name of Radharani. So carana means lotus feet. So Pyari-carana dasa. So you are servant of the lotus feet of Radharani.

Devotees: Jaya!

Nanda-kumara: Jayarama. Harold? Harold Miller? [japa]

Prabhupada: What is that? Rama?

Nanda-kumara: Jayarama dasa.

Prabhupada: Jayarama? What are the rules and...?

Harold: No illicit sex life, no intoxication, no meat-eating, no gambling, and at least sixteen rounds a day.

Prabhupada: So your name is Jayarama. Jayarama, "all glories to Lord Ramacandra."

Devotees: Jaya!

Nanda-kumara: Radha-kunḍa.

Prabhupada: Radha-kunḍa. [break]

Nanda-kumara: Susan? Sue?

Prabhupada: What is that? [break]

Nanda-kumara: Radha-kunḍa. [japa]

Prabhupada: Radha-kunḍa dasi. Hare Krsna.

Nanda-kumara: Is there anyone else who hasn't got... [end]