760831IN.DEL
Delhi Initiations

Delhi, August 31, 1976
Prabhupada: They have got neckbeads?
Pradyumna: Everyone has their neckbeads? Yes. Bhakta Adira?
Devotee (1): Krsna dasa.
Prabhupada: His family?
Pradyumna: His name is Abhayasraya.
Prabhupada: (Hindi) So kya niyama hai?
Adira: (says four rules in Hindi)
Prabhupada: Abhayasraya.
Pradyumna: Bhakta Allen? Atmananda? Atma-tattva dasa.
Prabhupada: (Hindi) Kya niyama hai?
Allen: No meat-eating, no intoxication, no illicit sex, no gambling.
Prabhupada: (Hindi) Atmananda dasa.
Prabhupada: Atma-tattva dasa.
Devotees: Jaya!
Devotee: Pay full obeisances. Fall flat.
Prabhupada: (Hindi) Kya niyama hai?
Laksman: (Hindi)
Pradyumna: Laksmisa dasa.
Prabhupada: Laksmisa dasa.
Devotee: Lasmisvara.
Devotees: Jaya.
Pradyumna: Robin?
Prabhupada: While coming they should be careful not to touch feet anything. These people, they do not know. Especially...
Lokanatha: (Hindi) Do not touch any of these things with your feet.
Prabhupada: What are the rules and regulations?
Robin: No egg or fish, no meat-eating, no illicit sex, no intoxication, and no gambling.
Pradyumna: Atindra dasa.
Prabhupada: Atindra dasa.
Pradyumna: Roger?
Prabhupada: Walk very carefully. You should come very carefully to get beads.(?)
Lokanatha: Excuse me, prabhus. I'll repeat one more time, do not touch any of these things. Be careful.
Prabhupada: Not touch nor cross.
Lokanatha: Not even go over it. It is offensive. Please make a way.
Prabhupada: What are the rules?
Roger: No intoxication, no meat-eating, no gambling, no illicit sex. Chant sixteen rounds daily.
Prabhupada: Revati-kumara dasa.
Pradyumna: Satyananda?
Devotee: Namah om should be uttered, should be a vibration. Otherwise, Nectar of Devotion says it's offense.
Satyananda: (Hindi) ...chaya, coffee, cigarettes, bidi, ganja.
Prabhupada: Siddhartha dasa.
Lokanatha: Prabhupada? These are his beads you were chanting on before.
Prabhupada: No shaving?
Lokanatha: He's Tejas's man. I don't know. He is just a visitor, householder. He's in business.
Prabhupada: That's all right, but give him initiation. (Hindi)
Lokanatha: (indistinct) initiation, do it first?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Lokanatha: I'll ask him.
Pusta Krsna: Jaya, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Nobody said to him? You did not know. Let him shave up. Then we shall... You should. You are introducing, you did not know? Then who has introduced?
Lokanatha: Tejas.
Prabhupada: Tejas is not saying and you also not detect. You should be very careful. If you remain ignorant, all ignorant, then where is progress? Everything ignorant I have to find out. So many big, big monkeys, nobody could find out. Big, big monkey, big, big belly. You also did not. That's all... Who is next?
Pradyumna: That is all, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: So? (Hindi) [break] Yes. Because some of them, they could not follow Hindi.
Pradyumna: I'll just do it fast. First nama-aparadha is (Sanskrit verse) Paramam aparadham The saintly persons who are spreading the glories of the holy name, if we abuse them, if we make offense at the people who are spreading the glories of the holy name, then the holy name will never tolerate that. How can the holy name tolerate the abuse of those who are spreading the glories of the holy name? So we must understand that a saintly person, a sadhu, satam, spreading the glories of Krsna, talking about Krsna, must never be offended. Must always be very careful. Sadhu-sanga [Cc. Madhya 22.83]. You must know how to associate with the sadhus, to always honor them and worship them and not to make offense. The second offense is that we should not put the..., understand that the names of Sri Krsna or Visnu-tattva personalities, which are completely spiritual, are the same as the material designations of jivas like ourselves. There's Visnu-tattva, there is jiva. Visnu-tattva is God; jiva is this ordinary living entity. The name of the Supreme is the same as the Supreme. The name of the jiva is different from the jiva. So we should not confuse these. We should understand the name of Visnu is the same as Visnu. The name of jiva is not the same. So the names of demigods—the demigods are also jivas—their names are not spiritual. If we call names of some demigods, it will not do us the same spiritual..., it will not give us this spiritual result as calling the name of Krsna.
Prabhupada: Therefore during the time of initiation we change the name. A spiritual name is given. Go on.
Pradyumna: Because that spiritual name has..., because the name of Krsna, a name of Hari, has the spiritual potency; therefore we use the name of Hari as much as possible. Haridasa...
Prabhupada: Dasa. Not that name, but the name's servant. Dasa. When one is named Krsna, Krsna dasa, he is servant of Krsna. Not that Krsna. If he thinks, "I have become Krsna," that is Mayavada. Krsna dasa. Go on.
Pradyumna: The next offense is guror avajna, to neglect or disrespect the orders of the spiritual master. Because the spiritual master is the external representation of the internal Krsna, whatever the spiritual master says is to be taken as exactly what Krsna's desire is. Krsna is within all of us as Paramatma, but because we cannot see Him, because He is adhoksaja, or above our senses, therefore that same Krsna within appears without as the spiritual master, and he gives us instructions, and these are taken to be the same as Krsna's instructions. So to disrespect the orders of the guru is not to make any progress on the spiritual path. Na gatih kuto 'pi. There can be no gatih, there can be no spiritual achievement without following the orders of the spiritual master. Because the order of the spiritual master is the same as Krsna's order. Sruti-sastra-nindanam. One should not make blasphemy the sruti, which are the Vedas, and sastra, the sastras which follow the Vedas. This is Mahabharata, the Puranas, the itihasa, the smrti. Sruti-smrti. These are the two eyes. It is said the brahmana has two eyes: one is sruti, one is smrti. So by these sastras we can understand, because the sastras are made by God, because they are emanating from God; therefore they are perfect. As Krsna...
Prabhupada: Not different. Not different from God.
Pradyumna: Because God is perfect, because Krsna is perfect, therefore His words and His ideas are also perfect. So these sastras are the words of God. So they are also perfect. So the sruti-sastra-nindanam means to think that there may be something wrong in the scripture or to take one verse out of Bhagavad-gita and reject another verse. Because it is all coming from Krsna and is all perfect, therefore everything is perfect within it. We must accept everything. We must accept it without any..., as being without any fault. So sruti-sastra-nindanam. We should not think that it has any imperfection, that "This may be wrong." Sruti-sastra-nindanam hari-namni kalpanam. We should not think that the..., should not speculate on the nature of the holy name.
Prabhupada: Go on, next. Namnad balad papa-buddhih.
Pradyumna: Namnad balad papa-buddhir na tasya suddhih, na tasya vidyate suddhir yamaih. The next offense is that..., if by chanting the holy name one becomes relieved from all his past sinful reactions. So if one thinks that "I will perform sinful activities. I'll have illicit sex, I'll eat meat, fish... (end)

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