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Imported quote 23386 Prabhupada: Yes. It is spirit actually. But because I have no sense of Krsna, I am taking it as matter. Just like sometimes people criticize that "You are spiritualists, you hate materialism, why you are using this table, why you are using this typewriter, microphone?" But our reply is that it is not matter, it is spirit. But when you use it for your sense gratification then it is material. Just like prasadam-the people will say "What is this nonsense, prasadam? We are taking also dal, rice, capati. How it becomes spiritual?" They can argue like that, and sometimes they do that. But, they do not know that we are accepting this dal, rice, capati in Krsna consciousness, actually it belongs to Krsna. They..., you cannot produce dal, rice; it is Krsna's production. Everything is Krsna's production. But when you forget Krsna, his relationship with Krsna, then it is material. Therefore you revive the relationship with Krsna, you offer to Krsna, then you understand, "Krsna has eaten, now let us take." Therefore it is spiritual. The consciousness is spiritual. Nirbandhaḥ krsna-sambandhe yuktam vairagyam ucyate.
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