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Imported quote 17198 So this is called jagat. Everything is going on. But it is going in such a way... Just like these cars are moving with high speed, but they are very careful to pass within the lane. Otherwise there will be collision. Similarly, all these planets, they have got their own speed for rotating, and there are hundreds and thousands and millions, they are rotating, but there is no collision. Now, how it is made? Who has made this lane? A car is moving in sixty miles, seventy miles speed, but they are ordered just to remain within the lane, the marking line. Who has made it? The police department, the government. So how can you say there is no control? We have to... This is called upama, analogy, the points of similarity. Analogy means the points of similarity. Then you can conclude some idea.
(More...) Now, as we see in the street that the cars are moving in high speed but they are within the orbit, within the line, demarcation of line, white line or yellow line, so there is some brain, there is some management; everything is there. Similarly, all these planets, they are rotating with high speed. Just like this planet. It is rotating 25,000 miles in twelve hours. Is it not? The circumference of this earth is 25,000 miles and... Yes, day and night, twenty-four hours. Almost one thousand miles per hour it is... Now, the car is moving seventy miles per hour. It appears very..., with good speed running. But the earth is running at one thousand miles per hour, but we cannot understand. The arrangement is so nice. The perfection that it is... We cannot understand it. It is practical. We see the morning, day, coming. That means earth is moving. When the aeroplane moves also, there are so many jerking, those sound. They're all imperfect. But here you see that such perfect arrangement, it is moving one thousand miles per hour, and there is no jerking. There is nothing of the sort. We are thinking, "We are sitting in the same place." And there is no brain? Here it requires so much brain to move the car orderly on the street. So many police has made, so many government, scientist, this, that, so many-and this not only one planet, but many millions: yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anḍa-koti [Bs 5.40].
(More...) So all these arrangements, there is no good brain behind it? How is that? But the raksasas, the demons, they will say, asatyam apratistham te jagad ahur anisvaram [Bg 16.8]: "There is no controller, and it is all false." False? So minute rules and regulation are being followed. The sun is rotating on the orbit in a such a perfect way that if the sun is inclined to this side or that side, there will be..., whole world will be frozen or in blazing fire. This is the scientific opinion. It must rotate according to the diagram given by some controller. That is stated in Bhagavatam: "By the order of the Supreme." Yasyajnaya. Here also, in the Brahma-samhita, yasyajnaya bhramati sambhrta-kala-cakraḥ. The sun is rotating, yasya ajnaya. Ajnaya means "by order."
(More...) So when the question of order is there, then there must be one order-giver, and there must be one order-carrier. Otherwise, what is the meaning, "order"? Yasya ajnaya, "by whose order." "Whose" means this whose-somebody bigger who is giving order, and the sun planet is carrying out the order. Yasyajnaya bhramati sambhrta-kala-cakraḥ. Yasyajnaya bhramati sambhrta-kala-cakraḥ. So there is order-giver; there is controller, the Supreme Lord; and there is order-carrier, the sun-god. Otherwise, who is carrying the order? If it is only a lump of matter, then who will carry out the order? Now, this Tokyo city, if it is a lump of matter only, then how the systematic order of traffic rules and regulation is... It is not only lump of order..., er, of matter, but there is somebody, the government or the king or the president, who is maintaining the order. This is conclusion. This is analogy. Then how you say that there is no controller? Where is your logic? Can anybody give any logic that there is no...
(More...) These raksasas, they say there is no God, there is no controller, but where is the logic? How you can say so? What is your analogy? What is your logic, that you say there is no God? Let us discuss. Can anybody say here? Hmm? What is the idea? If things are going on systematically, the planets are moving in the orbit systematically, everything is going on... Just like same example: always remember, I may be foreigner, but because I see that on the street the cars are moving in order, the police is standing, there must be government. That is... I may know or not, but this is commonsense affair. There must be government, and there is government. Similarly, when I see that the cosmic order is working so nicely, systematically and reasonably, then how I can say there is no controller? Where is my logic? Tell me, anyone. Hmm? Can you say, anyone, why they say there is no controller? Jagad ahur anisvaram [Bg 16.8]. What is their logic? You tell. [to Nitai:] You are sometimes on their side. [laughter] What is their logic?
(More...) Nitai: Well, that no controller is ever seen.
(More...) Prabhupada: But you have not seen who is Japanese government, president. How do you conclude there is government? You have not seen the president or the supreme head. So how do you say there is government? We have not seen who is the president, who is the prime minister. Then how do we conclude that "There must be government. Otherwise how it is going on so nicely?" You may see, you may not see so many things, but does it mean... That is not a good logic, that "I have not seen." I have not seen, but the sound is coming. The car is there. There must be somebody there. Even if we do not see, you have to conclude like that. Just like there is sound. The sound is of car, and the car, there must be one driver. You have not seen. So how do you conclude there is a driver?
(More...) Prabhupada: No, no, "by chance..." This is childish reason, "by chance." It is not very good reason. A child will say, "Chance it has come." That is childish. You must give solid reason. Chance, you can say anything as chance. Everybody can say like that. That is not reason. When you bring in chance, that is not logic. That is not knowledge. If somebody says, "By chance I have come in this world," that is not logic. I must have my father. I must have my mother. And on account of father-mother being united, I am... This is scientific. "By chance I have dropped from the sky here," [laughter] this is not logic. This kind of logic is vague only. That is no... It has no value. Do you give any value to this logic, nonsensical logic? No sane man will accept "by chance." When you are caught and you are convicted, then if you say, "By chance I became convicted..." By chance? No. You committed theft, you were arrested, there were due judgment, and the judge has given you punishment. You must suffer. It is not a chance. And if you say, "By chance I am now convicted," that is not chance. There is no question of chance. This is a false logic, "chance." Nothing takes place by chance. That is sound reasoning. Chance means ignorant. One who does not know, he says "chance." That is ignorance. That is not knowledge. Knowledge is different. So they are rascals, you can say. This kind of logic, "I have not seen," "It has come by chance," "There was a chunk," these are all nonsensical proposition. There is isvara. This is sound knowledge. As you conclude by seeing the arrangement in the Tokyo city there is government, similarly, if you are intelligent enough, then you can understand there must be a controller. That is theism. That is knowledge.
(More...) Bahūnam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate [Bg 7.19]. Therefore this foolish class of men who are simply studying, they want time to find out, but actually if he is wise, if he is searching out regularly by wise conclusion, then, at some time, he will come to the conclusion, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, bahūnam janmanam ante: after many births of research work, he will come to this conclusion that there is God, Vasudeva. Vasudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahatma sudurlabhaḥ. Then he is the first-class mahatma. But that is very rare. Everyone is duratma, anisvaram: "There is no isvara. This is a false manifestation." That is not false. You study everything. You study even one plant. You can see so many arrangement, so many fibers. Fine fibers are coming out, and from one fiber to another. Even a small herb and vegetable, you will find there is craftsmanship. You cannot say it is chance. You cannot do it.
(More...) They are comparing Krsna with themself. As he is a person, similarly, Krsna is a person. He does not know. The Vedas inform that "Although He is person, He is maintaining all unlimited persons." That they do not know. Eko yo bahūnam vidadhati kaman. That one singular person, He is maintaining many millions, many millions, trillions of persons. We are each, every one, we are person. I am person. You are person. The ant is person. The cat is person. Dog is person, and the insect is person. The trees are person. Everyone is person. Everyone is person. And there is another person: that is God, Krsna. That one person is maintaining all these varieties of millions and trillions of persons. This is the Vedic in... Eko yo bahūnam vidadhati kaman, nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam [Katha Upanisad 2.2.13]. This is the information. So Krsna also says in the Bhagavad-gita,
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