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Prabhupada: Now, how that branches are spread, how there are different places and seas and oceans in every same place.
Prabhupada: Where it will be possible. Where it is, you propose.
Prabhupada: Mayapur is now Maidan. Mayapur and here, what is the difference?
Prabhupada: Why not?
Patita-pavana: Okay. There's two especially, Dr. Arkasomayaji and Agnihotram Ramanuja Tattvacarya. Spiritually, from what you've taught me, I can understand they have some limitations. Their spiritual understanding is not as high as the Gaudiya Vaisnava...
Prabhupada: There is no question of spiritual understanding.
Prabhupada: It requires real scholar.
Prabhupada: If they understand.
Prabhupada: Yes. One who can understand that description in the Fifth Canto rightly, it is... There is no question of whether he's spiritually advanced or not. It is simply academic qualification.
Prabhupada: Yes. It has nothing to do with spiritual understanding.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: So arrange to bring them here.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Prabhupada: No, in our new house.
Prabhupada: Oh. Both of them are very old?
Prabhupada: So we cannot give...
Prabhupada: Here there is no difficulty with lift.
Giriraja: I was thinking of the Chand Society.
Prabhupada: That's nice, Chand Society. There are three rooms. That is very nice.
Giriraja: Well, they could have one room and the kitchen.
Giriraja: Well, if we... Yeah.
Prabhupada: Why not request Mr. Acharya to exchange? They may go to his...
Giriraja: Okay.
Prabhupada: That "We have kept your request."
Giriraja: Yeah, we obliged him by making him the tenant.
Prabhupada: "So, if you kindly go up there, as we have been a little convenient..."
Giriraja: That's a very good idea.
Prabhupada: Yes. Downstairs will be utilized in a solid way.
Prabhupada: No, no.
Giriraja: No, the same building...
Prabhupada: Same building.
Giriraja: ...exchange. We come from the second floor to the ground, and he takes what we've constructed on the top.
Prabhupada: "Same space you can... Everything, that will be..."
Prabhupada: Yes. And he can utilize the roof also.
Giriraja: Yes.
Prabhupada: To get the... Yes. That is another advantage. If it is possible, do. So they can understand the description in the Srimad-Bhagavatam?
Prabhupada: Then it will be all right.
Patita-pavana: And even this Ramanuja Agnihotram Tattvacarya... I went to the chief of the Raṅganatha Svami Temple and made good friends with him. I gave him your Caitanya-caritamrta which was the conversation between Gopala Bhatta, I'm sorry, Bhattacarya, Veṅkata Bhattacarya, and Lord Caitanya. And he is the ancestor of him, in charge of the Raṅganatha. And he told me that this Agnihotram is a little bit touched by Mayavada. I said, "I understand. But," I said, "can he do the universe good? Even though you're criticizing him, does he know the universal description?" And he said, "That he knows. Many people have praised him like this in different works."
Prabhupada: It is a simply academic thing.
Prabhupada: It has nothing to do with spiritual advancement. So when we plan, people may not think that it is not according to the...
Prabhupada: This is a great kindness. We are trying to do something on behalf of real culture.
Prabhupada: So make arrangements to receive them.
Prabhupada: That's nice. They have got respect for our society?
Prabhupada: That's nice.
Prabhupada: No, every sane man will appreciate our effort. Especially from general... Even the Mayavadi, they are also praising.
Prabhupada: Even the Mayavadis, they are also praising these activities. Yesterday two Mayavadi sannyasis came, Saṅkara-sampradaya.
Prabhupada: They are taking from this point of view, that India's culture has been so nicely spread that people are taking serious con... That is their appreciation. We have got differences of opinion, philosophy. That is our nomenclature[?]. But India's culture is being accepted through the world. That they are appreciating.
Giriraja: During the New York case, one of the leading men in the Arya Samaj wrote a very personal letter in support of us. Not a standard letter, but in his own words he was glorifying your work like anything, and especially from this point of view.
Patita-pavana: Even this Arkasomayaji, his ista-devata is Kanaka Durga from the Kabur district of the Godavari in Andhra, and he's a Mayavadi. I told him, "We have some difference, but please shelve your differences and simply follow our point of view." He said, "That's all right, but I think your guru is the Divine walking the earth, and I must serve him." [laughs] So I said, "Very good. Please come and help."
Prabhupada: So arrange to receive them. Give them very kindly... If Acharya agrees, that will be great success.
Giriraja: Yes.
Prabhupada: So both you and Mahadevia together supply, this friend of Mahadevia.
Giriraja: Yes.
Prabhupada: This facility, this space is the same. Mutual arrangement. And he gets the advantage of the roof.
Giriraja: Mrs. Warrier wants to move up.
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Giriraja: Mrs. Warrier wants to shift to a higher...
Prabhupada: So he is in the downstairs?
Giriraja: She is on the ground floor.
Prabhupada: Then it is... If she moves, that is also good. But that space is bigger.
Giriraja: Yes, Acharya's is much nicer place.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Giriraja: So we will try with that.
Prabhupada: So Warrier... What is this? Warrier?
Giriraja: Warrier.
Prabhupada: Mrs...?
Giriraja: She met you, the widow.
Prabhupada: Yes. So the Acharya's place and her space bigger?
Giriraja: No, Acharya's is much bigger.
Prabhupada: Then how you can accommodate?
Giriraja: Well, she wants more space than what she has. She'll... I think we can avoid this. Otherwise, some special cases, we can use the Chand Society.
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Giriraja: For the time being, once in a while we can use what we have.
Prabhupada: Yes, Chand Society.
Giriraja: And then, when the building is ready...
Prabhupada: That's very good. Make some arrangement...
Giriraja: Yes.
Giriraja: "Whatever You say, I accept in toto."
Prabhupada: That's all.
Prabhupada: This is our position. That is very easy for us. We haven't got to manufacture. To manufacture idea is troublesome. Why should we take trouble? And as soon as you want to manufacture something, to [indistinct], that is dangerous. Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete kariya aikya, ara na kariha mane asa. [Prema-bhakti-candrika Song 1] This is... You are singing every day, "What our guru has said, that is our life and soul. We do not want...," ara na kariha mane asa. And your guru's article, you have given[?]. Do you think is all right? We are reading every day, yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah. [Sri Sri Gurv-astaka] As soon as this poison will come-"Suppress guru and I become prominent"-everything finished. Spiritual life is finished. Gaudiya Matha finished, that..., violated the orders of Guru Maharaja.
Prabhupada: So how you get it that "Here is only prominent, Surabhi Swami"?
Prabhupada: Whatever it may be...
Prabhupada: He has nothing to do...
Prabhupada: Hmm. What is that?
Giriraja:
Translation: O Krsna, I totally accept as truth all that You have told me. Neither the gods nor demons, O Lord, know Thy personality.
Prabhupada: So it is easy for us. What Krsna says and Vyasadeva says, that's all. We haven't got to manufacture. And as soon as you manufacture, fall down. Evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayah... [Bg 4.2]. This manufacturing idea is very, very dangerous in spiritual life. Whatever little success is there for me, I did not manufacture any idea.
Prabhupada: No. Why shall I take?
Our mission is to serve bhakta-visesa and live with devotees. Not that you take the place of your guru. That is nonsense, very dangerous. Then everything will be spoiled. As soon as you become ambitious to take the place of guru-gurusu nara-matih... [Padma Purana, 25.15-18] That is the material disease. The article clearly shows that it is everything "your city," "his city." That is clearly intimated that "You have dropped from the sky to give this city to the world." That is the sum and substance. Is it not? What is this nonsense?
[pause] So do the needful.
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