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Visvakarma: Soon they will be able to sell it to us. [Prabhupada laughs] Then we'll make a walkway across.
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Indian (1): Where there's the cold, it is like a demoniac place, cold. Is it right?
Prabhupada: [laughs] Yes.
Indian (1): What about if it is too warm then? I mean why don't they [indistinct]?
Prabhupada: Too warm, too cold, both are bad. [break]
Devotee: ...too warm, but it is not bad.
Prabhupada: [laughs] In India it is actually so. [break]
Subhavilasa: ...land is getting the benefit by your lotus feet, very pious. [break]
Prabhupada: Yes, if they work, they can do that. [break]
Prabhupada: Ah.
Hari-sauri: Could that be due to our saṅkirtana activities?
Subhavilasa: ...high commissioners, so for the passport. They're so demoniac, they're not working at all, they're.... [break] ...politics, and they sit there and people... [break]
Prabhupada: ...is sympathetic with this movement. Everyone wants godlessness. And this movement is preaching about God, so nobody likes us. [chuckles] [break]
Devotee: They've poisoned the lakes so much in Canada now that they've been making an attempt to turn rivers around in northern Ontario to flush the lakes out like a toilet, so they can flush the water down to cities like Chicago. [break] [laughter]
Prabhupada: To save all these botherations. You live here? How long you'll live in Canada?
Devotee: Nine years.
Prabhupada: No...
Devotee (2): How long will you live here?
Devotee: Well, I don't know. [laughter]
Devotee (2): One lifetime.
Satsvarupa: ...the leaf movement. That movement is another watering of the leaf and branches instead of the root, to try to improve the lakes.
Devotee: Sinful.
Prabhupada: ...who is not Krsna conscious. That has been published. [laughter] You have seen it?
Visvakarma: Which paper was that?
Devotees: Los Angeles Times. [break]
Prabhupada: ...question? Tell it.
Pusta Krsna: So Prabhupada replied that "We are not interested in so-called other gurus. Simply we know this, that Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita that persons who are not Krsna conscious, they're either foolish, miscreants, sinful, lowest amongst mankind, or their knowledge is stolen by illusion." Unquote.
Prabhupada: General definition.
Prabhupada: ...recently I said all these so-called gurus are either rascals, miscreant, lowest of the mankind, or they have no knowledge. [chuckling] Not directly; indirectly.
Prabhupada: That is fact. These rascals come here for women and money, that's all. They do not know what is spiritual life. If I say like that, you think it is right or wrong?
Devotee: Good idea. You didn't compromise.
Prabhupada: Why compromise? [break]
Prabhupada: But they are. They may not..., they may like or not like, it doesn't matter, but they are. [break]
Prabhupada: They are pious.
Prabhupada: Because he has approached God, therefore he's pious. Even though he has got material desires. Akamah sarva-kamo va moksa-kama [SB 2.3.10]. One day, he will become devotee. Just like Dhruva Maharaja. He went to search God for some material benefit, but when he became perfect, he became pure devotee. [break]
Prabhupada: Oh, yes, oh, yes, thousand times. [break] ...gentleman has not come?
Devotee: Yesterday? No. [Transl. Ran away.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Has his 'So 'ham' conception run away?]
Devotee: [Transl. I had discussions with him a few times before.]
Prabhupada: Ah?
Devotee: [Transl. We discussed on this point many times, but he doesn't understand. He says, by reciting mantras you will attain everything.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. Such people have ruined India.]
Devotee: [Transl. This is his self made philosophy. Whatever suits them they make their philosophy accordingly. If I chant one mantra loudly once a day that's enough for the whole day. Then you do whatever you like.] [break]
Subhavilasa: ...initiated devotee, and he follows those four regulative principles and chants sixteen rounds, will he go back to Godhead?
Subhavilasa: But by taking initiation, will that speed up the process?
Prabhupada: Yes. [break]
Satsvarupa: ...professor who's going to see you tonight, Professor O'Connell, he wrote a book review of Dr. Judah's book about our movement. And he said it was a very sympathetic book, Dr. Judah's, he said, and a little bit too sympathetic on one point. And he made his statement. He thinks that our movement, the way we deny the flesh, he said, he called "denying the flesh," it tends to make us a little cold in our relations to each other, and people in the Hare Krsna movement are denying the natural affection that is somehow connected with the flesh.
Prabhupada: Caitanya Mahaprabhu, when He was asked what is the general behavior of a Vaisnava, He said that the first thing is that you should give up bad company. So these are bad company. We cannot have any sympathy. We cannot make any compromise with everyone. That is not possible. The modern scientists, they have made quarantine? Quarantine? What is that?
Prabhupada: Hah.
Prabhupada: Those who are infected, they should be separated. You cannot make any compromise.
Satsvarupa: His point was that even amongst ourselves, even amongst the devotees, he says, there is not enough expression of love, because we don't allow...
Prabhupada: Well, then... Trying to be perfect.
Satsvarupa: Flesh, skin disease.
Prabhupada: Perfect does not mean that they should eat meat and drink wine. That does not mean. What is his objection?
Satsvarupa: I think what it comes down to is that he objects that we are against illicit sex.
Prabhupada: Oh. [laughter] That means he is accustomed.
Prabhupada: Just see.
Satsvarupa: And their discussion is very blasphemous. This Dr. Dimmock, he's made much investigation upon the six Gosvamis, and he's read all manuscripts, and he's always going to India and studying Rupa Gosvami and Lord Caitanya, but everything is extremely blasphemous that he writes. So in both ways-in their habits and whatever they write. So the Library Party men, they become friendly to these professors, but only to use them more or less, that they'll accept our books, despite themselves.
Prabhupada: Yes, that we must do. [break] ...policy is when we go to a, what is called, a bad character, we don't go to associate with him, but to give him our association. Therefore we must be strong and very pure, so that your association, they will be benefited. For the preachers, isvare tad-adhinesu balisesu dvisatsu [SB 11.2.46], the four behavior. Isvara, tad-adhinesu, devotees, balisesu, innocent, and dvisatsu, those who are envious. So a devotee, those who are preachers, they, prema, loving God, making friendship with devotee, and those who are innocent, to deliver. And those who are envious, reject. [break]
Prabhupada: ...objection of Professor O'Connell?
Satsvarupa: He said that we don't..., we deny expression of love through the body. Just like the grhasthas are not allowed, except to have children, to have sex, and brahmacaris not at all. So by denying... These are natural ways to express love, he says, and by denying them, the people in this movement become somewhat cold and don't have the experience of love.
Prabhupada: Love? This is love or lust?
Satsvarupa: He says there's a definite connection between the flesh and love, and you can't deny it, he said. I argued with him, but that was his viewpoint, that love is expressed through the flesh.
Prabhupada: Then how he has become a doctor in Vaisnava philosophy?
Devotee: He's a sick doctor.
Prabhupada: No, in the Caitanya-caritamrta there is explanation, what is the difference between lust and love.
Satsvarupa: I told him if you observe the devotees, you'll see they have very affectionate loving dealings with one another, but it's not based on the flesh. We don't have to...
Prabhupada: That is lust. Sahajiya. Lust is going on as love. [break] ...reviewed Dr. Judah's book?
Satsvarupa: Yes. Basically, he said it was a good book and that our movement is an important movement. But he made that one objection.
Devotee: Then how does he explain how so many devotees can live together peacefully and happily if there's no reciprocation of love? Materialists can't even live together with their wife for very long. [break]
Pusta Krsna: Srila Prabhupada, they're simply interested in human flesh. They're not concerned about all of the animal slaughter that's going on. They don't make objection to the animal slaughter, the animal flesh. But when it comes to the human flesh, because they think they can enjoy, then they take some concern.
Pusta Krsna: The question might arise that a jnani is someone who is aware of his spiritual nature, that he's not this body, aham brahmasmi. Then the karmi is one who is dehatma-buddhi, in the bodily concept of life, and he's desiring so many materialistic things. So how can it be that the karmi, who is after some material benefit, if he approaches Krsna, he can be better off than the jnani?
Prabhupada: Because he has approached Krsna.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. That will be rectified. Sat sad bhavati dharmatma [Bg 9.31]. Huh? What is that? Kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati. Api cet suduracaro bhajate mam ananya-bhak [Bg 9.30]. When one has come to the fire, some way or other, he'll be warm, gradually. That is the... He has come to the right path.
[break] ...kamad bhayat, krodhat. [SB 7.1.30] Either... Anyone who comes to Krsna... Just like gopis, they were captivated. They were village girls. They did not know what is God, what is Brahman, nothing. But they were captivated: "Krsna is very beautiful boy." That's all. Even they forgot their own husbands. Everyone.
[break] ...or other, we have to develop our intense love of Krsna. Then life is perfect.
[in car]
Devotee: Tar.
Prabhupada: From tar, you find paper?
Visvakarma: Yes. All different types of packaging have mills as well. [break]
Prabhupada: Salt?
Prabhupada: ...wine and cigarettes, just like here you can purchase by slot. What is called?
Prabhupada: Machine. Yes. That is there. You pay, and get cigarette and drink can. There are many boxes like that on the street, public street. And they pass urine on the road. There is no restriction, standing apart.
Prabhupada: Every few step, there is a shop, young girl, wine, and a man is sitting.
Prabhupada: Beer. Yes. Sadananda told me. He was drinking beer, barrels. [laughs] He told me.
Prabhupada: And they drink.
Hari-sauri: Yes. It's possible in the summer season, one of the big tourist attraction is to go to these big beer festivals. And you can go, they last about a fortnight, one week or a fortnight, and you can travel down the Rhine Valley and move every week to a new beer festival, like that, all through the summer. It's a big tourist thing. [end]
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