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Devotees: Haribol. Haribol. Haribol. Haribol. [break]

Prabhupada: How do you like this idea?

Tamala Krsna: At Victoria...

Prabhupada: Anywhere, as we are walking, the sahkirtana. [break] ...tiresome.

Tamala Krsna: No.

Prabhupada: Walking and chanting, sometimes it is...

Tamala Krsna: Little bit. It's a good... A good place to do it is that Victoria Memorial, because there's so many...

Prabhupada: People.

Tamala Krsna: ...people there. [break]

Prabhupada: ...places better than this place, then you shall go there.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. [break] Madhudvisa will be there in the morning. He leads the kirtana.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: He's very lively. [break]

Jayapataka: ...twenty years, they've never swept the street.

Prabhupada: Twenty thousand?

Jayapataka: Something like that: "...are sweeping the street." But only a few thousand of that are actually doing it. There's a big scandal.

Prabhupada: Dishonest. They are producing only dishonest men. [break] ...get a boat like this? No.

Jayapataka: Not a dinghy. This is a bit bigger than... The dinghy is not suitable for rough water.

Tamala Krsna: How big is your boat? As big as that...

Jayapataka: Forty feet. Boats in the back are about two-thirds that size.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Jayapataka: Those two big wooden boats back there? About two-third that size, but not the same exact shape. Those are also big dinghies.

[break] ...sagara, Midnapur, Diamond Harbor, that area, where...

Prabhupada: Those places are good places for preaching.

Jayapataka: I went there when I bought the boat. People there are so hungry, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Angry?

Jayapataka: Hungry. Hungry. They're very... I was eating a banana. I threw the peel on the ground and a boy picked up and ate the peel. I saw. They are so hungry. If we went there and distributed prasadam, so many people would be...

Prabhupada: Oh, yes.

Jayapataka: ...enthusiastic.

Prabhupada: So that Consulate General, he has promised to help for getting grains from India, er, from America?

Jayapataka: He's given me the law..., numbers, and he said that it's much higher than he is, but he'll give a recommendation if it comes to him. Apart from that, he told me how it's done.

Prabhupada: So why don't you take it very seriously?

Jayapataka: Well, he just told me last week. I was... I heard you were coming, so... The thing has to be done from Washington, D.C.

Prabhupada: So our men can do it. You advise them to do the needful. [break]

Jayapataka: Caitanya Matha's devotees are from Midnapur.

Prabhupada: Hmm? Yes. And Diamond Harbor.

Jayapataka: And most of Madhava Maharaja's are from Assam.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: They have Assamese?

Jayapataka: All Assam-the pūjari, everything.

Tamala Krsna: Like Nepal?

Jayapataka: No, they're a little bit stronger...

Tamala Krsna: [break] ...ese considered to be Aryans? I don't think so.

Prabhupada: They are Mongolians.

Tamala Krsna: I was saying that to Jayapataka, that they're Mongolians. So the same criticism that everyone has said against you...

Prabhupada: What is that?

Tamala Krsna: ...that you are making mlecchas and yavanas brahmanas. I think that that Mongoloid race is also considered like that.

Prabhupada: I do not follow what you say.

Tamala Krsna: Well, my point is that they're always feeling that you are creating brahmanas amongst such low-class persons. So I see that they...

Prabhupada: If I am creating brahmanas, how he is low class?

Tamala Krsna: Well, we don't agree that he is low class.

Prabhupada: No, no. If he says we are creating brahmana, then where is low class? From logical point of view.

Tamala Krsna: No, from low class to high class, he says.

Prabhupada: Actually, everyone is Brahman. So from this conditioned life of non-Brahman, if we create Brahman, what is the wrong there?

Tamala Krsna: Original position.

Prabhupada: Hmm. Ah. [break] Manipur.

Jayapataka: Many Manipur people are coming to Mayapur now. Many. They wear a special type of uniform, the women, one pinkish dress.

Prabhupada: For seeing our temple?

Jayapataka: They are going everywhere. The Bengalis are going mainly to our temple. But they've come so far, they see everywhere, naturally. But also our temple without fail.

[break] The Nabadwip Commissioner came, and he was so impressed. Now he is thinking... He is trying to... He is a little bit greedy that so many things are going in Mayapur. He is trying to think how he can include Mayapur within Nabadwip municipality.

Prabhupada: How it can be done?

Jayapataka: That he is failing to do, but he is thinking, anyway. He told me. So many taxes.

Tamala Krsna: Material conception.

Jayapataka: Bribe. [break]

Tamala Krsna: I think we should return now.

Prabhupada: Hmm. [break]

Jayapataka: ...from Vrndavana has composed some Sanskrit poems for Your Divine Grace.

Prabhupada: Which Sastriji?

Jayapataka: That you preached to last year at the festival time. There were seven sastris, four of which came to Mayapur, three of which blooped. One is still left. He is very eager to become initiated. He is very hard working and sincere.

Tamala Krsna: What does he do there?

Jayapataka: He is teaching Sanskrit to the devotees.

Prabhupada: Very nice.

Jayapataka: He is teaching the meter, how to chant them, to all the Western devotees and to the...

Tamala Krsna: Who's here?

Jayapataka: I never had time to go. Bhavananda knows. [break] ...the Bengali language also. We have one copy at Mayapur. If we have a festival here in Calcutta with a Bengali film, many people can appreciate it. Of course, English they also... That first panḍal, we didn't have any movie then.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Jayapataka: Those first panḍals, we never had a cinema.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes.

Jayapataka: Only kirtana. [end]