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Prabhupada: I wish that you GBC manage very nicely and consider that I am dead, and let me try to travel all the tirthasthana, without any responsibility. If I become recovered from this malady, I shall come back and then I shall die anyway. What is that, when the dead body is there, let them bring to Mayapur and Vrndavana. I am thinking in this way. Bring little medicine and no medicine, little milk, and travel one place to another, and if there is death, what is the lamentation? My age is ripe. In the open air and bullock cart or during daytime, eh? Or you can say civil suicide. Although living, but consider me dead for the time being. You manage, and nowadays there is in India ample sunshine. So during daytime I shall travel, and nighttime you make a camp under a tree. In this way let me travel all the tirthasthana. I am thinking in this way. What is your opinion?

Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, we promise that we'll manage everything to the best of our ability.

Prabhupada: No, no, you are managing, I know, but you are all important men, and unnecessarily you are bound up. You cannot go. So Lokanatha party has got some experience, and let me go. In India the climate is now good. If I recover, it is very good. You know. So what is the wrong? If I die, then the body will be brought either in Vrndavana or Mayapur, that's all. And if I live, it will be a great end of a life. You are all experienced.

Jayapataka: As much as you have trained us, Srila Prabhupada, that is only how much we are experienced. We don't want that you be burdened any more with material management problems, but serving your...

Prabhupada: No, not from that point of view. What is the use of lying down here?

Jayapataka: The kaviraja said...

Prabhupada: Kaviraja may say...

Jayapataka: ...that even that your body is going to..., is got a life of six to ten years, but he said even a healthy cow, if it's kept locked up inside of a room, then it will deteriorate.

Prabhupada: And therefore I say, [laughs] don't keep me locked up. You do your duty as I have trained you, and let me be free, and if money required, he'll come and take and go back again as he is coming to take book.

Jayapataka: What?

Prabhupada: They have got experience, Indian, you can go village to village and... Arrangement as you may, but it is trouble taken, and I am no longer. You manage. If I live, I can come again. I shall be very glad.

Devotee (2): Previously it was mentioned that there was some risk in traveling.

Prabhupada: What is that risk? Nowadays there is no risk. What is the risk? Mm?

Devotee: Well, from the medical point of view it's something with the organs or something, I don't know exactly, but it's been considered.

Prabhupada: This is my proposal, and...

Jayapataka: That would be after you gained some strength, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Yes. If I free air and free movement, why some change? And I can come back again in a year.

Jayapataka: You will be translating while you're traveling?

Prabhupada: Eh?

Jayapataka: Will you be translating as you are traveling, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: No. Yes and no.

Bhavananda: I think it's good idea, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Ha.

Bhavananda: Only factor at this point is not to take any unnecessary risk.

Prabhupada: No. Freedom. As I think free, so I remain. Mm. Then when I am sane man, I shall come back again, either Mayapur or Vrndavana or Bombay, any other.

Jayapataka: You would travel by a minibus.

Prabhupada: Mm?

Jayapataka: You would travel by a bus.

Prabhupada: That you think of.

Bhavananda: We'll all sit down and discuss the different arrangements that have to be made, plans that have to be made. It's a very nice idea. Real sannyasa life.

Prabhupada: Yes. Mm. You have tried doctor, kaviraja, medicine-everything. Everything has failed. Now suppose I am taking the risk of death, what is wrong? When the..., I am dead, you go India, within India, you go and bring the body either in Mayapur or Vrndavana. Mayapur the land is already there. Vrndavana I think on the gate side, that's all. That's wherever you like you'll do.

Jayapataka: Srila Prabhupada, you commented that when Thakura Bhaktivinoda was put on the gate side that that was no way to respect a Vaisnava.

Prabhupada: Mm.

Jayapataka: So then doesn't seem proper to put you by the gate.

Prabhupada: No, not by the gate. There is ample land. Or in Mayapur, that will be very nice. Mm.

Jayapataka: This kaviraja assures that by taking little milk frequently during the day...

Prabhupada: I will take milk. Milk is available everywhere. [laughter] I shall take little milk and sleep, that's all. If I live, that's all right. If I don't live, that doesn't matter.

Bhavananda: Very nice program. We can all accompany you at different times of the month.

Prabhupada: Yes. Not very many, but you can come and go back.

Jayapataka: Which holy places you would like to visit, Srila Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: India is full of holy places.

Jayapataka: Krsna-lila, Mahaprabhu-lila.

Prabhupada: And gradually you go to Mayapur. Is Tamala here?

Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: I...

Bhavananda: He has heard everything.

Prabhupada: Mm.

Jayapataka: By you going to the holy places, you will purify the holy places.

Prabhupada: There are two things: life or death. So if I die, where is the wrong? And if there is death, that is natural.

Jayapataka: For you, Srila Prabhupada, to be alive or to die is no different because you are in the transcendental position, but for us, when you leave the body then we are bereft of your association. So for us it is very unfortunate.

Prabhupada: You'll live by my words, by my training. Mm. [pause] So you like this idea? Mm?

Hamsaduta: I liked it.

Prabhupada: Who is he?

Adri-dharana: It's Hamsaduta Maharaja.

Prabhupada: Ah. [pause]

[break] Most cases you beg from the local place and subsist; otherwise purchase.

Jayapataka: You are very famous, Srila Prabhupada. Wherever you go there will be crowds of people to have your darsana.

Prabhupada: So they will see me; I have no objection. I want little milk from them, that's all. [pause] So far my presence is required, management, I think I have bequeathed; properly you can manage. Hmm. It is to be admitted failure, the so-called medical treatment. Failure. [pause]

Jayapataka: All the doctors say that you defy all medical laws. Sometimes you become very weak, and sometimes you become immediately strong. [pause]

Giriraja: I think this is a good idea.

Prabhupada: Who is this?

Giriraja: Giriraja.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Giriraja: Giriraja.

Prabhupada: Ah.

Giriraja: Because, I mean, I don't have any faith in the doctors or their treatments because they're never working, and ultimately it depends on Krsna, and Krsna is everywhere. He can exercise His will in any condition, and you know, as you say, that if you go out and if you recover then it's very good. And even otherwise, I mean if that is the decision of Lord Krsna, then this is a very glorious way. [pause]

Prabhupada: All seriously consider this submission and let me go. [pause] [end]