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Prabhupada: ...that "After you, who will take the leadership?" And "Everyone will take, all my disciples. If you want, you can take also. [laughter] But if you follow. They are prepared to sacrifice everything, so they'll take the leadership. I may, one, go away, but there will be hundreds, and they'll preach. If you want, you can also become leader. We have no such thing, that 'Here is leader.' Anyone who follows the previous leadership, he's a leader. 'Indian,' we have no such distinction, 'Indian,' 'European.' "

Brahmananda: They wanted an Indian to be the leader?

Prabhupada: Yes. [laughs] "Everyone, all my disciples, they are leaders. As purely as they follow, they become leader. If you want to follow, you can become a leader-you are Indian-but you don't want." I told them that.

Tamala Krsna: Yes, they probably wanted to propose somebody who would take over our Movement.

Prabhupada: Yes. Leaders. All nonsense. Leader means one who has become first-class disciple. He is leader. Evam parampara-prapta... One who is perfectly following... Our instruction is ara na kariha mane asa. You know this? What is that? Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete kariya aikya, ara na kariha mane asa. Who is leader? A leader..., to become leader is not very difficult, provided one is prepared to follow the instruction of a bona fide guru. That's all.

Tamala Krsna: Why they wanted us to leave the room? They wanted us to leave the room. They wanted us to go out when they were talking to you.

Prabhupada: [laughs] Anyway, they are going away. Now they are finished. One day... What they will talk? Who will hear?

Tamala Krsna: They have nothing to talk. Prabhupada, they said that you are on a coordinating committee. So they want a second person from our Society also to be on the coordinating committee, because you may not always be able to attend the meetings.

Prabhupada: No.

Tamala Krsna: We'll tell them, "No, Prabhupada said only he alone should be on it."

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: [laughs] They'll like that.

Prabhupada: I also do not want.

Tamala Krsna: You want your name to be taken off?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: Really? [laughs] They're very political, these people. He said to me, he said, "Yes, you name another person. We can help you. We have big contacts with the ministers and others."

Brahmananda: They mentioned Gopala Krsna, that they had met with him about some problem with the government. They can help.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Brahmananda: You consult them.

Tamala Krsna: No, that's their idea, that they should have somebody. It's very implicating, though. I'll tell you, I wouldn't put anybody on that committee meeting. It's very implicating. As soon as you go to that coordinating meeting, you're obligated to give them all kinds of facilities. They have nothing that we want, factually speaking. They have nothing. They have not helped us. [to Brahmananda:] No, they have not helped us. You're listening to what they say, but I know the facts. I know they haven't helped us.

Prabhupada: Tactfully deal with them.

Tamala Krsna: Shriman Narayan did nothing. Don't get involved with them, because you'll get so obligated. It's better to say that "Prabhupada said that simply he will be on the coordinating committee. He doesn't want anybody else to be on for now." I'll say like that. For now, you don't want anybody else. You are present, so that you alone will be on it. I like that.

Brahmananda: Don't take Prabhupada's name off.

Prabhupada: "And in the absence, we shall select another."

Tamala Krsna: Yes. I felt very bad whenever they tell me to leave the room like that. I don't like to leave you alone. I get very disturbed. I was standing on the other side of the door. I could not... I didn't like it, to be leaving you alone like that. We're trained always to be with you.

Prabhupada: Hmm. Very carefully deal with them. They are trying to come into the institution to grasp the power gradually.

Tamala Krsna: That's the point. I can understand that.

Prabhupada: How much urine I passed?

Bhakti-caru: Ninety, Srila Prabhupada.

Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada has not drank that much yet. Did he have milk and barley water?

Bhakti-caru: Not today.[?] But he doesn't want to take barley now.

Tamala Krsna: Why?

Bhakti-caru: [indistinct] some sabji. [Transl. Before taking bath do you want some fruit juice Srila Prabhupada?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. What?]

Bhakti-caru: [Transl. Can I give you some fruit juice?]

Prabhupada: [Transl. You can give.]

[indistinct background discussion among devotees]

Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada? I'm going to take a short little rest now. Taking a little rest, just short. Then I'll come back.

Prabhupada: Very carefully deal with them. They want to enter into our management.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. I'm just thinking about looking... I want to read our memorandum, because as far as I remember, the Life Members have the right to vote in our Society. That may be one way. They may read the memorandum and see that "We can vote." Then, by doing some politics, they create some difficulty by voting and put one of these materialistic men in charge. Good reason to remain with us, Srila Prabhupada. They won't do anything while you are present. It's better that you should remain with us. Then they won't be able to do anything.

Prabhupada: Krsna will protect you. Try.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. They're very politically minded.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes.

Tamala Krsna: They're not at all interested in the Bhagavad-gita. And that purport I read was perfect. That purport that I read was all about doing some nonsense interpretation. That's exactly what they do. Unwilling to admit the Personality of Godhead Krsna, but enjoying the property of Krsna-that's their business.

Brahmananda: They do not believe in God.

Tamala Krsna: They're atheists. So we'll deal with them very carefully, Srila Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: Jaya Srila Prabhupada.

Brahmananda: He's meeting with the Prime Minister tomorrow. Narayan is having a meeting tomorrow with the Prime Minister and Defense Minister at the Gandhi Memorial Society.

Prabhupada: Where?

Brahmananda: In Delhi. [end]