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Prabhupada: So you [indistinct]…
Dr. Gopal: Except weakness, do you feel more?
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Prabhupada: No desire for eating.
Dr. Gopal: Is there any cough?
Dr. Gopal: Is there any cough?
Dr. Gopal: No cough. Mucus?
Prabhupada: Purified.
Dr. Gopal: No mucus, just some symptoms. Did you have clear motion today, yesterday?
Prabhupada: I think...
Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, he is saying, Dr. Gopal, that you have moved your bowels…
Prabhupada: Hmm.
Bhavananda: [indistinct]
Dr. Gopal: I see. If your bowels are moving very well these days [indistinct], so that [indistinct] problem [indistinct] [pause] ...the amount of urine...
Dr. Gopal: [indistinct] ...the amount of urine, if it is more than 700, he will suffer...
Bhavananda: ...more than 700?
Dr. Gopal: [indistinct] I will find out and in that way I'll know better [indistinct].
Dr. Gopal: Four hundred, hmm. Could you pass me [indistinct] or more [indistinct]? This is the clear [indistinct] or [indistinct].
Bhavananda: Slightly cloudy.
Dr. Gopal: Slightly cloudy but not much cloudy because, ahm, much improvement...
Bhavananda: Much improvement. Much improvement!
Dr. Gopal: I think that I [indistinct] ...I say ...that eh, this is [indistinct].
All: [laugh]
Prabhupada: Very enjoyable[?]
Dr. Gopal: Because I want that. Ah, you are feeling at the moment a few [indistinct]. I was maybe wrong, but afterwards I suppose [indistinct] you have not oral food so that [indistinct].
Dr. Gopal: Best [indistinct]
Dr. Gopal: And, eh, simply taking a [indistinct] give him some [indistinct].
Bhavananda: Yes, [indistinct] with all of the juices we have been putting glucose. Srila Prabhupada, Dr. Gopal …
Dr. Gopal: I am of the opinion that don't [indistinct] affects mucus [indistinct] glucose. You don't want to give sugar, because by giving him glucose it will cause more gas organization.
Prabhupada: [Bengali]
Dr. Gopal: This is very good [indistinct]. Misri he can have, the sugar he can have. Ordinary sugar can have, because the sugar has glucose.
Prabhupada: Misri water, I want.
Dr. Gopal: Misri water [indistinct].
Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, we have spoken with Dr. Gopal. He also, like all of the other doctors, and like yourself and all of your disciples, he says that you should take milk. However, he has suggested that you take ice cream and ice cold milk. He said that will... And cold cream, he said. Dr. Gopal said that will…, that will reduce the nausea.
Dr. Gopal: By taking these four things you will not have this feeling of nausea, vomiting and mucus if you had [indistinct].
Prabhupada: Hmm. I'm taking…
Dr. Gopal: And secondly, don't take much of [fruit] juices [indistinct] ...because it will produce [indistinct].
Others: Pomegranate...
Dr. Gopal: Pomegranate, this you can give.
Bhavananda: But no mosambi or sweet, lemon and citrus.
Dr. Gopal: [indistinct] at the moment we are trying to utilize for the...
Dr. Gopal: Grape juice?
Bhavananda: Dr. Gopal, what about mucus which…
Dr. Gopal: Mucus [indistinct]. For one who is rendered diseased, mucus is [indistinct], and one who is suffering from [indistinct], it is coming from the bowel. Because a bowel, the function, one of the functions is to form mucus, so that as other parts of the body. The eyes, they have tears, [indistinct], the mouth, parallel whether the function moves properly. The urine, for example [indistinct], there should not be any [indistinct]. In the same way the bowels [indistinct], it is something which creates mucus. So that the mucus is coming normally without any [indistinct].
Bhavananda: Call you?
Dr. Gopal: Secondly, [indistinct] but I have already [indistinct]. I think, though, the cough must be less than you were telling me two or three days back?
Upendra: [indistinct] just the immediate result of giving milk and some syrup… [indistinct] cough.
Dr. Gopal: That is you can have a gargle. I told you on that day also that you can have Listerine gargles. Listerine you can have, put in a cup of water and he can have gargles with that, and rinse his mouth…
Devotee: [indistinct] Prabhupada said that after bath [indistinct] and after one hour [indistinct] mucus...
Dr. Gopal: That's right, I said on that day also that he can have a plain steamed inhalation, but I think that the steam [indistinct]. …and whatever cough and mucus is there, without any aversion.
Devotee: [indistinct] When the mucus comes out [indistinct].
Dr. Gopal: [indistinct] the cause is mucus [indistinct] comes out with great difficulty. When he will have steamed inhalation, then it will come out very easily [indistinct]. Then he will not have any difficulty or any [indistinct].
Devotee: [indistinct]
Dr. Gopal: [indistinct]
Bhavananda: And the restlessness?
Dr. Gopal: Restlessness, I think…
Dr. Gopal: He is very much restless?
Bhavananda: It comes at night. During the day he is always able to rest, but in the evening...
Dr. Gopal: At the moment he has only got a little amount of blood as far as I know.
Devotee: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: Bhavananda?
Bhavananda: Yes, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Did you get the kaviraja [indistinct] medicine?
Bhavananda: No, Srila Prabhupada [indistinct]. [indistinct discussion follows]
Dr. Gopal: Only a drop of blood, not much. [indistinct discussion follows then long pause as the doctor is doing something]
Bhavananda: How many times do you do this? [indistinct discussion follows]
Bhavananda: If you don't do some little exercise like this, then how will you be able to walk for darsana of Krsna-Balarama? [laughs] [indistinct discussion follows]
All: [laugh]
[indistinct discussion follows]
Bhavananda: Dr. Gopal [indistinct] good for itching back.
Dr. Gopal: For that you can apply…
Dr. Gopal: ...and this gargling helps the bowels [indistinct]. [indistinct discussion follows]
Bhavananda: And are there any other solid foods that you would recommend that he should take?
Dr. Gopal: [indistinct] [indistinct discussion follows]
Bhavananda: Still, Dr. Gopal, Prabhupada becomes vomiting, as Tamala[?] explained. Prabhupada has to take? [indistinct]
Dr. Gopal: [indistinct] still more [indistinct] liver…
Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, Dr. Gopal says that because you are only taking liquid, therefore it is causing some nausea, and if you take some solid, like this dalia[?], or a capati soaked in milk…
Dr. Gopal: Can he take potatoes?
Others: Yes. Oh, yes.
Dr. Gopal: Cooked potatoes, mashed potatoes. [indistinct discussion follows] I don't like fried things.
Prabhupada: Boiled?
Dr. Gopal: Ah, boiled or mashed. [indistinct] ...or boiled potatoes.
Bhavananda: [indistinct, laughs] And ice cream, ice cream and ice cold milk. Ice cold Complan...
Dr. Gopal: Complan or...
Bhavananda: All cold.
Dr. Gopal: Put in it [indistinct].
Bhavananda: ...for reducing, that will be, mucus will be reduced. If this is applied, is that correct? What is the purpose of taking it cold?
Dr. Gopal: [indistinct] ...cold… [indistinct]. Any more questions?
Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, do you have any questions or anything you would like to know from Dr. Gopal?
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Tamala Krsna: Well, first of all, Dr. Ghosh has not yet established his dispensary, so he won't be able to give any help to anybody until he gets his dispensary set up. And the second point is that for common colds and other things, this kaviraja seems to be very expert. But your condition is not a simple cold. In fact, we have tried to use this kaviraja for six months, five months, to no avail. So when someone has a cold, then maybe it is kaviraja who can manage to work in very difficult cases. Not that it doesn't seem to be very effective. In any case, if Dr. Ghosh would set up his dispensary as an institute, then I don't think anyone would want to go to the kaviraja. Because as Westerners, we have found that the allopathic medicines act a little bit more quickly, and very often these Ayur-vedic medicines, they are not potent enough, or they are not prescribed properly and they don't work always very properly. Erm, this change of the weather suddenly, warm in the day and cold at night, a couple of the devotees have caught a little cold. In any case, for a difficult case, then Dr. Gopal is there.
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Tamala Krsna: No, he could, but they have chosen to go through the kaviraja. I don't know why, because if I had a cold I would go to Dr. Gopal. I wouldn't waste my time going through the kaviraja. Because I've seen that in dealing with you. Although I would like to learn much, and he seems like a nice devotee, I haven't seen any improvement in his condition, and he has been…, not even I got any improvement when I went for that [indistinct] in Calcutta. Simply I got my money taken. But at least with this Dr. Gopal, so far we notice that nothing very bad is happening, and in fact if anything, you are able to increase your intake of foodstuffs. Well, about four or five days ago you were taking about the equal of one glass or cup of liquid. Now you're taking the equivalent of about four cups. You've increased by four times what you were taking previously.
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Tamala Krsna: I was thinking that because you were not passing stool for so many months properly, maybe once every five days, four days. So you're not accustomed to passing stool in a regular way, natural way. I don't think that we should take it that this is such a serious difficulty. It might be a slight inconvenience, but that will be passed over. When you're... Just like... Just like anything that when done, there must be ways with the good effects and the bad effects. So in some things there may be some slight bad effect, just like a botheration. But if one gets cured, then that is the main thing. So we are trying to see how to cure you, and if in doing so you may pass a little extra stool, that should not be taken as so important that it does away with the cure.
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Tamala Krsna: I don't think anyone [indistinct]. As far as I know, people were going to the kaviraja for the purpose of their own needs. Bhavananda Maharaja sometimes gets a little congestion due to the air here, and Giriraja had a cold…
Prabhupada: [indistinct] Bombay.
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
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Prabhupada: [thick, heavy cough] [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Devotee: [indistinct]
Devotee: [indistinct]
Devotee: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Tamala Krsna: In the meantime, you can take a little pomegranate juice, and then by the time everything gets ready we will make a few things. A little custard also would be good. And some smashed potato. A few things, take a little, little of each. And in that way your condition will improve. Actually, according to Dr. Gopal, you will be sitting up on your own within a few days' time.
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Prabhupada: [indistinct]
Tamala Krsna: Actually, Srila Prabhupada, in the Caitanya-caritamrta it is described how one great devotee of Lord Caitanya, he did not have any disciples. So everyone was asking him, "Why you don't take any disciples?" He said, "All right, the first person who I meet tomorrow I will make him my disciple." So then he went down to the Ganga for a bath in the morning, and the first person he met was a dead body floating down the river. So, he was so pure that simply by touching this body, the person came back to life again, and he made him his disciple. So by the mercy of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, a dead body can become alive again. And we are expecting that same thing for you, Srila Prabhupada. You told us that we should understand everything from your books, so it is stated in your books that it is possible. [end]
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