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Prabhupada: ...said that "This is our mission. Now whether you'll cooperate?" We cannot make any compromise. [break]
Prabhupada: You have to teach them. But so far these young boys who were there, they were very much impressed.
Prabhupada: Why not?
Prabhupada: If they hear more, they'll change.
Prabhupada: Why don't you say that "We could not preach"?
Prabhupada: Why do you blame the other party?
Prabhupada: Otherwise it is not possible.
Prabhupada: Yes. Where we shall get men?
Prabhupada: That I have already clearly said.
Prabhupada: I am also going there for that. Otherwise...
Prabhupada: Now the... We can see practically how the system of civilization is bad, that this Indira Gandhi, raksasi, she became exalted in the topmost rank, and she thought... A person who is equally good or more than her, he was imprisoned. Then how the system is bad, that a rogue comes to the topmost post and a good man is put into the prison? Is not the system defective? Imperfect? Some way or other, you can become very important, and the actually important man you can cut down.
Prabhupada: Animal.
Prabhupada: Envious is everywhere. So the whole civilization is so defective. Somehow or other you come to the power, and you do whatever you like, and the people in general will have to depend on such leaders for their welfare. How they can be happy? If the whole system is defective, how they can be happy? The same man, in one day he's very important, in the next day he's the most degraded. And the most degraded man, previously he was praised by millions of people, and next day he's condemned. That means who elevated her to the post, they're all rascals.
Prabhupada: Sva-vid-varaha-ustra-kharaih samstutah [SB 2.3.19]. So what is the value of such election, and what is the value of such important men, where the whole system is condemned? Is it not the fact? Everywhere, not only in India. Not that the actual good man is on the head of the ruling power.
Prabhupada: Whatever... That they'll achieve.
Prabhupada: [Transl. Give me one, no, no, give me one gulab jam and little milk.]
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Prabhupada: Hun?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: [Transl. No, no. Just soak it for some time at night.]
Prabhupada: [Transl. If you soak it for long time, then it's good.]
Prabhupada: So you are arranging for tickets for how many men?
Prabhupada: We are four.
Prabhupada: And his wife.
Prabhupada: Kartikeya is going to pay?
Prabhupada: Why hope?
Prabhupada: No, no. He is a grhastha. He must pay.
Prabhupada: Another thing you say privately. He has got a bad habit. When I am speaking, in the middle he speaks.
Prabhupada: No, no. Kartikeya. He... Nobody should speak when I am speaking.
Prabhupada: Unless he's permitted. That is the etiquette. It is not ordinary talk.
Prabhupada: Everyone should take note of this, and you can privately say, "You never speak like that. The etiquette is: when you are permitted by Guru Maharaja, you can speak," not that "He is speaking. I know better than him. I shall speak something." That's very licentious. It is not ordinary talk. The system is, unless he is ordered that "You explain," then nobody can speak. And outsider, they may do. They should not... They also should not, but that is the system. And Visvambhara may, if possible, he can come for one or two days.
Tamala Krsna: I was thinking that same thing, that instead of writing Aksayananda, maybe I should write Visvambhara. Or both of them could come. Do you think it is all right if they both come?
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Tamala Krsna: I was thinking the same thing, Srila Prabhupada. So today I have to write a letter. As soon as the ticket is booked, I shall write a letter to Aksayananda Maharaja. One copy we will send in the post, and the other we will give by hand to Nava-yogendra Maharaja. I think it will be a very nice program.
Prabhupada: And if the President comes, it will be very, very nice.
Prabhupada: I can at least present. So, so many people are suffering for want of good leader throughout the whole world. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanah [SB 7.5.31]. They are in ignorance, and some rascals are leading them.
Prabhupada: And spoiling the chance of human life. Nature's law will go on. If somebody becomes next life a dog... There is possibility. These political leaders are like that. They are not trained up. Just like these dogs at night, they are very busy. Nobody has appointed them, but he is thinking, "I am in charge of this, watching." As soon as one dog will bark, all they, "Oh, gow! There is some important duty. Come on. Come on." And "Gow! Gow! Gow!" [laughs] And who has appointed him? They, all the politicians, are like that. Nobody likes... "Oh, oh, give me vote. Give me vote. I shall give you this arrangement." And barking amongst themselves, "Gow! Gow! Gow!" Therefore I said that this United Nation is an assembly of barking dogs. Actually that is. They cannot do anything. What they have achieved, the United Nation?
Prabhupada: And each representative of nation, they're talking day and night, and all, they have got their... There was a Mr. Menon... And he was speaking, and he was showing. He fainted, and people took him, "Oh, he's such a good representative." And what he did, actually?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: The cause was Pakistan and India. Pakistan is accusing India, and India is accusing Pakistan in United Nation.
Prabhupada: No, no. They were talking, barking. He was barking, and he was barking. One barking dog became fainted. [laughs] That's all. Nobody could achieve anything.
Prabhupada: They're simply barking, but this weak dog became fainted. That's all.
Prabhupada: Yes. "Oh, he has talked so much." [laughter] I saw that these two dogs are barking only; one of them fainted.
Prabhupada: Yes, they are creating so many dogs. "Can you give me any service?" "No vacancy! Get out!" And somebody becomes a... "All right, a bit of bread." And: "Oh, oh, you are so kind." These sudras... The number of sudras have created this world situation so bad. [break] In your country also the farmers wants to go to the city to become educated and never comes back again. They are no more interested.
Tamala Krsna: No. Actually, Paramananda was telling me that, you know, he's made some very close friends amongst the farming people-not our own people. So every year he goes back to near New Vrindavan, 'cause he made friends with the local people there, and he spends a week with them, and Devaki-nandana also. So he says that now he helps them. Whenever he goes, he helps them with the farming because their sons are all starting to marry the girls from the city, and they're not so much inclined towards the farming work. So the father and mother, even though they're getting older, they have to do more and more work because the children are not helping them.
Prabhupada: The city girl, she does not wish to come?
Prabhupada: They are not faithful wives.
Prabhupada: Stay home and read fiction and drink.
Tamala Krsna: And watch television. That is the great American sport, watching television. When Mr. Dwivedi and his friends were asking, I went over what our... I gave him an idea of what our menu would be. So he was saying, "So four o'clock in the afternoon will be tea or coffee?" I said, "We don't drink tea or coffee. We don't take cigarette. We don't go to the cinema." Actually I should have told him, "No onions or garlic." I didn't tell him, you know. We'll tell him when we go there.
Prabhupada: You just appoint one local cook. There are good cooks.
Prabhupada: That dal, roti and pudina chutney. If there is no vegetable, you can eat there nicely.
Prabhupada: If you can eat dal, roti with little pudina chutney, that is sufficient.
Prabhupada: And at night little milk. Bas, complete food.
Prabhupada: That's it. Very nice.
Prabhupada: No, their climate is very nice. So you could accept it. If such things are available, now you'll get appetite and your health will increase.
Prabhupada: Bhopal is better than Bihar.
Prabhupada: No, he is a sincere worker. Therefore he approached me. From Vrndavana, Gwalior is very near, within hundred miles. So Visvambhara can transfer, come, come there to..., to see. Let us first of all settle up. My this farming program, theoretically there is no comparison. But practically people are accustomed in different way. To bring them to the program it will take some time. Otherwise my program is assured happiness, happiness assurance, if they get... Have your own food grown. Keep cows. Have your own crops. Chant Hare Krsna.
Prabhupada: Don't go to the city. That is my determination. The hellish city. In city nobody has got the opportunity for living in such comfortable place. It is all Krsna's mercy that we have got. Otherwise if you go to the Bombay city, even here, these pigeon holes, three small rooms... It is not expected that everyone will be able to live in such palatial building. That is not possible. Even they have no bathroom in Bombay. In the room, in the corner, there is a tap, and you have to go to the public well, latrine. This is the system. So whole family will take advantage of the corner tap and then have to go to public latrine. There is no bathroom.
Prabhupada: No, sewer system.
[break] ...each toilet for fifty men. They are in line in the same building. One after another you get chance. You have got dysentery, then it is... [chuckles] Then you...
Prabhupada: So nasty. You come here. [break] Vivekananda and so on, so on, so on, so on... If I had been in political power, I would have killed.
Prabhupada: No, hanged. They are not guru. They are not missionaries. They do not know. They have no knowledge. And missionaries? You see? The so-called politician, philosopher, religionist, rascals, distorting the meaning of Bhagavad-gita. And yata mata tata patha. And "I like. Whatever I like, I can speak, and that is supported." What is this? Chaotic condition. There is no standard. We are giving the standard: Bhagavad-gita As It Is. And Gandhi said, "Oh, how can I stop cow-killing? It is their religion." Just see. Such a rascal. "My religion is to kill others, and it should be supported by the government." Such a foolish man, they are on the government power. Pariksit Maharaja, did he consider that? "So you are killing cow? You must be killed." That's all. Life for life. "It is my religion, sir." "Then get out here! Get out of my kingdom! Perform your religion outside." This is king. This is government. He said like that, Kali. You know?
Prabhupada: "Yes, all right, I don't interfere with your business, but not... You leave my kingdom. Get out."
Prabhupada: Yes. "Therefore I say, get out from my kingdom. I don't care for your religion or business, but you cannot do within my kingdom." And that is king. If I have to flatter you for vote, "Yes, whatever you like, you can do. Give me vote," is that government?
Prabhupada: I follow this. To accept me as guru I have to flatter you-I don't follow. If you want to hear me, then you become my disciple. Otherwise go to hell. Don't want. Here many big men came. And big men means the businessmen, big... I refused. "If you cannot follow the instructions..." When they are in office there is some income. Nanda, he is driven out from office after some time, at least twenty years. Then he was given post. Long time. What he has done? He has taken from Haryana government some crores of rupees and he has made his own statue, fifty thousand. He has made his own statue. [laughs] He appreciates his own activities. This is their politician. Just like our Bon Maharaja. He has done so. He does not wait for his death. He knows, "After death everyone will forget me. So let my..., let me make my own statue, at least for my disciples." He wanted to...
Prabhupada: Yes. That is... He has done. Like this Nanda has done this. And he's sticking to his whimsical policy. I wanted to mix with him, and I thought that he'll be useful. Useless. Manava-dharma, "man's religion." I asked him several times that "Is there any dog's religion? You have manufactured that." Religion means man's religion. That much he can do. Manava-dharma. He is educated, intelligent, buddhi-with no brain. I have studied. And he's a good man also, but no intelligence. I have studied all these rascals. So long they are in office, by the power of office they are useful. Otherwise they are useless. Just like my books they are appreciating. They have never seen me. Not that because I am guru of so many disciples. They appreciate my work. That is real appreciation. "What you have done? What will remain behind? All for the...[?]" Anyway, do something. Do. People are... [break]
Prabhupada: Yes, blowing with mouth.
Prabhupada: So they have got business, blowing with mouth in three ways.
Prabhupada: What is that? First of all, if they are third class, then blowing in the oven, fire.
Prabhupada: The oven. [laughter] He is third class. And the second class, blowing in the conchshell, pujari. And first class? Blowing in the ear and becoming spiritual master. [laughter] But their business is...
Prabhupada: Either here or in the conchshell or in the fire: first, second, third. This is a very..., said three way.
Prabhupada: Bengalis are very poetic. That's a fact.
Prabhupada: Three phuṅs.
Prabhupada: Yes. So they are... We say, phuṅ. So this phuṅ or this phuṅ or this phuṅ. [laughs] Keep account how much you are taking.
Prabhupada: I think he wanted 150 rupees two ways.
Prabhupada: No, in the ticket there is price written. In the ticket.
Prabhupada: The reservations should be four. Three opposite. Throughout the car also[?].
Tamala Krsna: No, no, no, no. We're going to get two full compartments, four and four. No, we're not... Because I want both compartments full, because we have so much expensive luggage and machines, we could not let anybody else into our compartments, and they must be locked at every... That's understood. Ramesvara called you the other night, and we gave him the answers to our call. He said that Gurukrpa Maharaja was requesting that I write him a letter saying that they actually require the second $100,000 for construction.
Prabhupada: No mail?
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