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Prabhupada: And anywhere there is some connection with Caitanya Mahaprabhu, we shall try to develop on this principle. Besides that, as many other centers possible. Prthivite ache yata nagaradi . That will make our movement triumphant. And demons are always against. That is old story, everywhere.

Tamala Krsna: In regard to Hyderabad, can we ask Mahamsa to send an account of how he uses the money that you give him? You're going to be giving him money from the Trust Fund.

Prabhupada: I've already given that. [break]

Tamala Krsna: He should send account of how he is... [break]

Prabhupada: How he may... Some more money is spent or less money, that doesn't matter. We want to see whether the result is there. I understand in that way. Phalena pariciyate. Account... You may spend ten rupees more or less; it doesn't matter. I never kept. I want to see the result, that's all. I was asking Tripurari that whether this opposition has hurt our book selling. He said no. Is it all right?

Tamala Krsna: Yes. I'd say that's a... It hurts initially, but then we rebound. On the whole, it does not hurt.

Prabhupada: That we want to see.

Tamala Krsna: Yes, on the whole.

Prabhupada: Our real damage is there. Otherwise, let them do whatever they like.

Tamala Krsna: But I want to explain that. In other words... I'll give you an example. Now they have learned that the way they can hurt us is through book distribution. They're understanding that. For example, now in about three or four different cities they are going to the airports where we do our big book distribution. And three or four people are engaged to break up all the sales. This happened in Chicago, it happened in San Diego and it happened in Minneapolis, all within the last two or three months.

Hari-sauri: Still happening there?

Tamala Krsna: In Minneapolis it's still happening, and San Diego it's still happening. They learned it from that Yanoff case. That Yanoff issue in Chicago. The deprogrammers then wrote to each other that "This is a very effective means to cripple their activities, because they will yield to this pressure."

Prabhupada: That they will try, but we can find out another avenue.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. Well, that's what we did do.

Prabhupada: [laughs] Yes.

Tamala Krsna: So now they're frustrated. On the whole, it has not hampered our book distribution.

Prabhupada: That we want to see. That is result, that's all.

Tamala Krsna: Because as soon as they stop one thing, we go to another one.

Prabhupada: That's right. How many places they'll stop?

Tamala Krsna: They can't.

Prabhupada: They cannot.

Hari-sauri: If we gave them a good beating they wouldn't come back again.

Tamala Krsna: Sometimes we did that. There was one man, very, very big demon, who was breaking up all the sales in one airport. So finally the devotees hired a professional man, and this professional watched how this man went home, and after about a month of observing him, this professional man hid himself near the man's garage, so when the man came back home-after disturbing our sales for five months-the professional beat him very severely.

Prabhupada: That's nice.

Tamala Krsna: And then he never came back again.

Prabhupada: That's it, tit for tat.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. He never came back.

Prabhupada: So we should adopt that means. Anyone who is opposing, give him good beating.

Tamala Krsna: That's what they do.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: They employ this.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Hari-sauri: As long as we do it very discreetly.

Prabhupada: Huh? No, this was very done, that hiding in the garage, and as soon as, "Oh," beat. Give them. "Eh!"

Tamala Krsna: And he could understand. There was no proof, but he could understand very well why he was beaten.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Hari-sauri: It's just like when they get taken before Yamaraja at the end of their lives, it says in the Bhagavatam, they understand all their past sinful activities. Now they're getting punished for it.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is allowed. That is within Krsna consciousness.

Tamala Krsna: They are doing that, because the policemen and others are beating our men in the airports sometimes. We are getting hit and beaten. Tripurari sometimes was punched in the face. Many times it has happened to him. He has been beaten for distributing. One time...

Prabhupada: We can also do that.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. And it's so horrible that when this happens... Just like...

Prabhupada: No, best thing is we find out another venue. But if there is possible, we can also give. It is very nice example: fight and give him some lesson. There are many examples. The Pandavas did it.

Hari-sauri: What situation did they do that?

Prabhupada: There was a raksasa disturbing Bhima, so he became like a female, and she came, and gave him [laughing] good lesson.

Hari-sauri: Yes. Lord Ramacandra chopped off the nose of Ravana's sister.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is not bad. [break] ...must go on.

Tamala Krsna: Double.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: At least, every year.

Prabhupada: Yes. It doesn't matter how they are opposing.

Tamala Krsna: I think the book sales will tremendously increase this year in India especially.

Prabhupada: Yes, yes. Yes. And India, if we are popular, oh, then government will see.

Hari-sauri: There's tremendous potential for book distribution in India.

Prabhupada: Therefore I say, take five lakhs and print and distribute. All languages.

Tamala Krsna: Someone was giving me the report today that in Delhi the boys go out, and each man sells eighty to a hundred rupees' worth of books.

Prabhupada: Just see.

Tamala Krsna: They go out in a party, just like in America.

Prabhupada: Now we have got Hindi books we can sell very nice.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. They hold kirtana and then distribute.

Prabhupada: You called Vasudeva? He has already ordered two thousand each.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. Immediately.

Prabhupada: Yes. So it means we shall sell outside India at least fifty thousand every month.

Tamala Krsna: What about London and England? Huge Indian population.

Prabhupada: Huge Indian, yes.

Tamala Krsna: America also has big Indian population.

Prabhupada: Yes, yes.

Tamala Krsna: Tripurari should take standing order for the Indians, because he has many centers under his charge.

Prabhupada: In Africa? Huge Indian, whole Africa-east, west, north, south.

Tamala Krsna: And also in Trinidad.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: Those countries.

Prabhupada: Trinidad, there are many Indians. They know Hindi.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. They were waiting for Hindi books.

Prabhupada: Yes. Give them. Print huge quantity. This is very important item, our book distribution. Whole Bombay, whole building should be stocked-Hindi, Gujarati, Telugu, so that one house for one stock. And try to, mean, vacate even by giving them. Simply our business, nothing else. And those who are devotees, they'll follow you, and they can come and live. That's all. And engage whatever help they can give.

Tamala Krsna: You had a plan to make another building on the Bombay land.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is already in the...

Tamala Krsna: Contemplated.

Prabhupada: Municipality judge will not sanction. They're harassing our...

Tamala Krsna: Still.

Prabhupada: That man is there.

Tamala Krsna: Mhatre.

Prabhupada: Hmm. But major triumph is there in our side. He was harassing not to allow the temple. That has been baffled. Similarly, the other building also will be done. Try. Go on.

Tamala Krsna: Always.

Prabhupada: India, we have got tremendous business. Village to village, distribute these books and saṅkirtana. You don't require language. Chant Hare Krsna and distribute the... Bas. And prasada distribution. It doesn't matter who is doing.

Tamala Krsna: The real future, then, will be done if we can make many local people devotees.

Prabhupada: Yes. That will be nice.

Tamala Krsna: Because importing is impossible.

Prabhupada: No, that is not possible.

Tamala Krsna: Therefore this Mayapur has great importance, because we're making so many devotees.

Prabhupada: Local.

Tamala Krsna: When these boys grow up a little they can be sent all over India.

Prabhupada: Oh. Yes. They can be trained up very nice, from the very beginning.

Tamala Krsna: So that should be one of their programs here, saṅkirtana parties with the young gurukula boys when they get to be twelve, thirteen.

Prabhupada: Similarly, Vrndavana also can be done.

Tamala Krsna: Are they making devotees there? Not so much.

Prabhupada: Vrndavana locally you cannot do. Mostly they rogues, the babajis. But there is good potential. [door opens and closes]

Hari-sauri: I can't find him.

Prabhupada: Oh. He's not in his...?

Hari-sauri: He's not in his room.

Tamala Krsna: He may be taking prasadam now. He was... I had a talk with him today. He was a little... I was surprised that he was complaining that the prasadam is the same every day. In other words, his complaint is that although we are giving... Of course, he may be critical, overcritical. I think that is a fact. But still, we should listen a little bit. He comp... Now every day there's at least seven sabjis. I mean, that's a big variety. But his point is that every day it's the same seven sabjis.

Prabhupada: That is not good.

Tamala Krsna: No.

Prabhupada: So you have to manage that.

Tamala Krsna: I'll make... I mean, they should listen to that point, because it's a valid point. He's right.

Prabhupada: They are very expert.

Hari-sauri: They fed us very nicely when we were there in Fiji.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. They are very expert.

Tamala Krsna: He said. He said, "In my house one day it is rice and dal. Next day, it is khicuri."

Prabhupada: That is the way. If you supply the same thing, it becomes hackneyed.

Hari-sauri: Yes. Even if it's first class, it still becomes boring.

Tamala Krsna: And I think these woman can cook many varieties.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: They know.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Hari-sauri: Even if they only do three or four sabjis a day, they can...

Prabhupada: Yes. Why so many?

Hari-sauri: Why seven?

Tamala Krsna: Oh, that's it. They have to be told also. On their own, they won't do it. I'll try and tell the proper person.

Prabhupada: That they can be advised, the change, menu change.

Hari-sauri: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: Do you happen to know who's charge of it? Tapomaya?

Hari-sauri: Tapomaya's always down there. I see him.

Prabhupada: This kitchen management is a great art. That attracts men. Ta'ra madhye jihwa ati, lobhamoy sudurmati, ta'ke jeta kathina samsare, krsna baro doyamoy, koribare jihwa jay, swa-prasad. [Gitavali, Prasada Sevaya, Song 1 by Bhaktivinoda Thakura]

Give varieties of prasada. That is required. That is the art.

Hari-sauri: We're going to need some very expert cooks for our Bombay center.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Hari-sauri: We're going to... We'll have to make sure we have some very expert cooks without...

Prabhupada: You change it. You change it.

Hari-sauri: Because that restaurant...

Prabhupada: The Gujarati, they know it.

Tamala Krsna: Yes, Gujarati cooks.

Prabhupada: I asked Bhogilal. He sent, but they canceled.

Tamala Krsna: The same thing. I once arranged for Shantilal's brother, and they canceled. The thing is there's an art of dealing with these servants. You have to know how to handle them. Otherwise... They have to be treated like the children in the family.

Prabhupada: No, not... Treat them as master-servant tactfully.

Tamala Krsna: Yes. And you have to take care of them.

Hari-sauri: The thing is, those men that Bhogilal sent were smoking bidis and everything.

Prabhupada: That could be checked, that "You do not do this." If you have to keep hired cook, so you'll have to manage in that way. Everything depends on management. Change of menu is very good, not that the same thing should be...

Tamala Krsna: It's been four days now of the same thing.

Prabhupada: That's not good.

Tamala Krsna: Of course, we are accustomed, because sannyasi, we don't care so much. But these men are not accustomed like this. He made a big point of it. He didn't like it at all.

Prabhupada: They are cooking very nice in Fiji.

Tamala Krsna: All of these Life Members, they have the best cooks in India. They are accustomed to very high-class food, Marwaris.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes.

Hari-sauri: That cooking we had when we went to Bhogilal's in Hyderabad...

Prabhupada: Very nice.

Hari-sauri: ...it was very first class.

Prabhupada: Very first class. The cook available, but if you cannot manage, what can be done?

Tamala Krsna: Bhogilal's in Hyderabad?

Hari-sauri: Yes, he has a house there.

Tamala Krsna: He was there also, present?

Prabhupada: Cooking means if you have no appetite, it will create appetite. That is cooking. Not that simply add some ghee and masala and cook it. No. It is a great art.

Tamala Krsna: When you went to Hyderabad did you stay with Mr. Pithi again?

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Hari-sauri: No, we were out at the farm.

Prabhupada: No, we were staying, but he supplied his car. I think he came to airport.

Tamala Krsna: We have to supply some good man for Fiji.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: Vasudeva was speaking that some proper person for teaching them puja...

Hari-sauri: Well this boy Saj...

Prabhupada: Trained, very trained.

Hari-sauri: This boy that's coming from Vrndavana, Sajjanasraya, he's worked in Fiji with Vasudeva a lot before.

Prabhupada: Here...

Hari-sauri: And he's trained to do puja now too.

Prabhupada: ...these two brothers, they can teach very nice puja, first class.

Tamala Krsna: They're the best in the society.

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. And they are the sincere devotees.

Hari-sauri: Yes... [end]