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Prabhupada: And this paper should be carried to present there.

[break] ...did they predict? They are not going to do all this protest against Transcendental Meditation.

Prabhupada: That means here they are feeling the weight. You see? These protests, this combination, this endeavor to collapse our..., that means they are feeling more weight. And what is this movement, Transcendent...? They never formed against any case, anything, Transcendental... They know that is farce. There are so many other groups: Yogi Bhajan, Transcendental Meditation and... What is he? Gurubaba...?

Hari-sauri: Guru Maharaji.

Prabhupada: Guru Maharaja. So many. Ramakrishna is not very prominent. Sai Baba.

[aside:] Little, little, everyone.

Who asked for them? Aurobindo. Even Aurobindo. Who will protest against Aurobindo? Aurobindo has got some influence in the Western...

Jagadisa: Not so much.

Hari-sauri: I never heard of him before.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Hari-sauri: [laughs] I never heard of Aurobindo. If someone is interested in Eastern philosophy, generally they read books about Aurobindo and stuff like that, because up till now that's been the only literature that's been available in the West.

Prabhupada: Aurobindo?

Hari-sauri: Yes. People like that.

Prabhupada: And now it is worthless.

Hari-sauri: Now it's finished.

Jagadisa: There's one other movement, called the Moonies.

Prabhupada: Moonies.

Jagadisa: Moonies. That's been founded by Reverend Sun Myung Moon.

Hari-sauri: That Korean man, that Korean businessman.

Prabhupada: Oh. But that is also not...

Hari-sauri: They're big in the States. They're very big in the States.

Jagadisa: He wants to take over the world. He publicly says so. He claims to be organizing the world...

Prabhupada: That... [break]

Hari-sauri: He says that Jesus never carried out what he intended to do...

Prabhupada: "I am doing."

Hari-sauri: So he's going to come and do it.

Prabhupada: So that is capturing the sentiment. There is no philosophy. And who cares for Jesus? First of all they must care for Jesus. So he's... He has got any books?

Jagadisa: I don't think so. Maybe some pamphlets.

Hari-sauri: No one's got any literature like yours. At the most, they can produce a few pamphlets. They can't even produce one volume the size of the Bhagavatam, what to speak of eighty. And if they could, no one would read them anyway.

Prabhupada: No, on the whole there is now attempt to stop this movement.

[break] ...but in... We have made so many court cases. Now, only loss we are feeling now-in some airports they have stopped our book-selling. So formerly also they were stopped and again revived.

Hari-sauri: Legally we haven't been stopped in any airport, I don't think.

Prabhupada: Legally we have been stopped?

Jagadisa: In Los Angeles, in Dallas and Atlanta.

Prabhupada: Legally?

Hari-sauri: But that's only temporarily, I think.

Prabhupada: What is the...?

Jagadisa: It's a constant struggle.

Prabhupada: Struggle must be there. You cannot stop it.

Jagadisa: In Montreal for about two years...

Prabhupada: Krsna since His birth struggled. [laughs]

Jagadisa: We had harassment from the police in Montreal for two years. Sometimes they even beat up the devotees. They have put them into jail...

Prabhupada: They have beaten even our book sellers in airports.

Hari-sauri: Chicago.

Jagadisa: And the police mistreat the devotees. But still, the devotees continue, and now in Montreal there's no trouble.

Prabhupada: They crucified Jesus, what to speak of devotees. Prahlada Maharaja was persecuted. Haridasa Thakura. I think I shall not go to Europe, America, for some time. [laughter]

Hari-sauri: Not unless this gets cleared up.

Prabhupada: Because it is being discussed about me. They say, "Old man is behind this movement."

Hari-sauri: Even in Australia now they're having the same thing, kidnapping and everything. It's everywhere.

Prabhupada: That means they're feeling the weight. It is spreading.

Hari-sauri: Yeah.

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Prabhupada: That's all. [end]