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Prabhupada: ...tad-gatena manasa pasyanti yam yoginah [SB 12.13.1]. Pasyanti, this word is there. Yoginah pasyanti, they see; dhyanavasthita, by meditation.

Revatinandana: This is the Sixth Chapter Bhagavad-gita? Is that what you're quoting?

Prabhupada: No, this is in Bhagavata.

Revatinandana: I see. But that seeing...

Prabhupada: That seeing is not ananda. Seeing is ananda, undoubtedly, but seeing and talking and becoming friend, that is higher. Friend or conjugal lover, father, mother, that kind of seeing is different.

Revatinandana: If that yogi quits his body in that condition, does he attain a Vaikuntha planet?

Prabhupada: Yes. [break]

Revatinandana: Is it possible that if he was not... This is a question that sometimes a devotee has asked me. If a yogi does attain a Vaikuntha planet, but by his constitutional nature he is meant to be associated with Krsna in Goloka...

Prabhupada: No, why not with Visnu?

Revatinandana: But some... No.

Prabhupada: Vaikuntha is Visnu, Narayana. That is also... But there Narayana is worshiped with awe and veneration. He is God. No friendship, as in Vrndavana. That is not possible.

Revatinandana: The question is like...

Prabhupada: Vipralambha-sakhya. Aisvarya, aisvarya, opulence. There the Supreme Lord is taken in aisvarya, opulences. Not aisvarya-sthiti. In Vrndavana the devotees, they practically do not know that Krsna is God. "He is our very beloved friend." That's all. They doesn't care to know whether He is God or not. Here the conception of God. Vaikuntha, "Oh, here is God," with awe and veneration, respect.

Revatinandana: That I understand. The question is supposing this yogi, he has not got full knowledge, he does not know of Krsna, and therefore he is meditating on Paramatma, and he attains Vaikuntha. Is it possible that because he hadn't got full knowledge...

Prabhupada: No, he has to go... Simply by Paramatma conception he cannot go to Vaikuntha.

Revatinandana: Can he later go on from Vaikuntha to Goloka? Can that happen also?

Prabhupada: Yes, there is such instances, can go.

Revatinandana: But if a devotee knows Krsna, if he knows of Krsna, then wherever he is destined, he will go perfectly to his perfect position. Just like Bhisma knew Krsna...

Prabhupada: Mad-yajino yanti mam [Bg 9.25]. Krsna devotees, they go directly, especially those who are worshiping Krsna through Caitanya Mahaprabhu. They directly go to Krsnaloka.

Revatinandana: What about like the case of Bhismadeva, where he knew about Krsna in Goloka, and he went to Krsna as Partha-sarathi?

Prabhupada: No, Krsna... He understood Krsna as Narayana. He will go to Vaikuntha, Bhismadeva.

Revatinandana: But he had full knowledge of everything as a mahajana. He knew also...

Prabhupada: But he loved Narayana, catur-bhuja.

Revatinandana: Yes, that was his constitutional position. That's all right.

Prabhupada: Just like sometimes madhurya-rasa is the greatest humor...

Revatinandana: Who?

Prabhupada: Madhurya-rasa, conjugal love. But still, there are devotees who prefer parental love, friendly love. That is liking. Everyone has got his own liking. But they are all the same. All the same. There is no difference between Krsna devotee and Narayana devotee. They are all the... But it is their liking, varieties of liking.

Revatinandana: Another, related question that also arose... These come in Bhagavata class with the devotees, because they think about the questions, and sometimes they come up with nice ones. When Krsna is incarnating in His plenary incarnations like Varaha, Nrsimha, like that, He's appearing...

Prabhupada: That is in this material world.

Revatinandana: Yes. And sometimes devotees become devoted to those forms. Are there corresponding planets in Vaikuntha for those forms of incarnation? Is there a planet of Nrsimha, or Nrsimha-loka in the Vaikuntha sphere?

Prabhupada: So far I know, those planets are here within this material world.

Revatinandana: Wherever He is appearing.

Prabhupada: Hmm. Even Ramacandra's. So far I have...

Revatinandana: On all the Vaikunthas, Krsna is in His catur-bhuja, four-armed form?

Prabhupada: Hmm.

Revatinandana: But those devotees will eventually go there. Those kind of devotees like the devotees of Sita-Rama, they will also attain the spiritual sky in their various positions?

Prabhupada: Yes, yes.

Revatinandana: All right. Thank you very much. [offers obeisances]

Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. What is this?

Janaki: One is rice and the other, baratas.

Prabhupada: What is that?

Janaki: Milk, hot.

Prabhupada: That's all right.

Janaki: I think that other thing was not good idea.

Prabhupada: No, it was too cold.

Janaki: Yes, it reduces heat. I will bring some hot pepper.

Revatinandana: Glories to Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. [end]