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So what is your advice?
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Prabhupada: ...German center, [Bengali] ekta United States.
Prabhupada: Three in America.
Prabhupada: Another three in Europe.
Prabhupada: One in India.
Prabhupada: Yes.
[aside:] [Bengali] Why you are keeping there?
Prabhupada: Seven. And Africa, one.
Prabhupada: Eight.
Prabhupada: And one, Australia.
Prabhupada: New Zealand.
Prabhupada: And one...
Bhavananda: Canada.
Prabhupada: Canada.
Devotee: Africa and South America.
Bhavananda: Ah, yes, South America.
Prabhupada: South America. What part?
Bhavananda: Australia and Southeast Asia also.
Prabhupada: Argentina.
Devotee: And Japan. Japan.
Prabhupada: Japan includes now...
Devotee: Western United States.
Prabhupada: Western.
Bhavananda: Western United States?
Prabhupada: Yes. Including Hawaii and Japan. Japane lokera...
Prabhupada: Russiate, there is big lokat. I have got a student there. They are very much strict about religious things. When I went to Moscow...
Prabhupada: Reaction already come. They do not...
Prabhupada: Now, apart from materially, they're poor.
Prabhupada: This is...
Prabhupada: Anudarsanam.
Prabhupada: The Russian professor...
Prabhupada: Now we are presenting through two of my scientific students, Doctor of Chemistry, that matter is..., the source of matter is spirit. This is our theory. Generally they believe the life, life comes from matter.
Prabhupada: Matter. But we, we are presenting, "No, matter comes from life."
Prabhupada: Janmadyasya yatah.
Prabhupada: Yes. Material, material atmosphere means diseased condition.
Prabhupada: Ekamsena.
Prabhupada: One-fourth part.
Prabhupada: Perverted.
Prabhupada: Dehatma-buddhih.
Prabhupada: Dehatma-buddhih.
Prabhupada: Sense gratification.
Sridhara Maharaja: Enjoying mood. That is the basis of this. And mood of renunciation, that is a vapor state. That is nothing only. And the real life is the life of self-dedication and service. And the service not of any part. Or service not for any part which is like me, but for the whole, for the Divinity. As Krsna says in Gita,
Who lies..., whose bed is infinite. Sesasrita, ananta. Infinite gathered together. And though He seems to, to have a figure, but figure that, that sort of figure which can contain many, many number of infinite of our conception. Krsna is a figure talking with Arjuna, a limited figure, but Visvarupa emerged from Him. How? A big Visvarupa emerged from a limited figure? So such limited figure, that is God. Vrndavana. Vrndavana has been described as only sixty..., say...
Prabhupada: Eighty-four miles.
Prabhupada: Somebody says eighty-four.
Prabhupada: Ah, Saloka[?].
Sridhara Maharaja: ...thirty-two miles. But Paravyoma, which is to be understood as Vaikuntha, means infinite, many of the paravyomas is accommodated there within that thirty-two miles' area. Square miles area, or something like that. That, we must be conversant with that sort of understanding. Any number of length of rope coming, but only two fingers less. Only two fingers less. Another big rope added, again that two fingers less. This is all categorical principle. We have to be acquainted with. Then we shall go to read Bhagavatam...
Prabhupada: [aside:] fan?
Prabhupada: [aside:] Drive these flies.
Sridhara Maharaja: How it is possible? Eka vigraha taṅra ananta svarupa. In one figure, He accommodates numberless of figures. Eka vigraha taṅra ananta svarupa. But all these appear to be real, and it will be shown to them who has got real sraddha. Sraddhamayo 'yam lokah, the world of faith. And that is substantial, not imaginary. What we say to be concrete, that will be reduced to ashes and imaginary. It will evaporate, both the scientist, material scientist, as well as the rsis. But this will ready evaporate one day, with sun, moon, everything.
This will evaporate, but that subtle thing stands forever. Sraddhamayo 'yam lokah. The experience of the region of faith stands forever, undisturbed. The world of experience is evaporating every second. And for the being who is dying every moment, every second dying. The what is to be told to us to be reality, that is, means dying every second. That sort of reality is given to us by these great persons of the present universe, big scientists and big leaders of the knowledge world. In India there is a saying that once a big mountain, he..., he or she expressed that she will produce a child. Parvate musika bhave. She has got fame just before producing child. Then the people thought, "Oh, what a big child must come when the big mountain, she feels pain to produce a..." Eh?
Prabhupada: Labor pain.
Prabhupada: Scientists.
Prabhupada: So I, I try to impress upon them this fact, that this Krsna consciousness movement is a challenge for this deception. They're simply deceived.
Sridhara Maharaja: All sorts of deception. Even Vaikuntha. Paravyome [Bengali]. And the calculation, even they, the self is, a sort of calculation comes between the, the servitor and the object of service, then also it throws us down. In Krsna consciousness, that sort of calculation is also absurd. There is love, there cannot be any calculation. It is autonomous. Autonomous anuraga. Cultivate, do. No sort of calculation of any benefit. The calculation disturbs autonomy.
Bhavananda: Will be.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes, everyone is... Siva's devotional prayer is there in Fourth Canto, about the four sons. What are those?
Prabhupada: Karana, karanarnava.
Prabhupada: Effulgence. Yes.
Prabhupada: Nirvisesa.
Prabhupada: Siva is...
Sridhara Maharaja: Differentiation... Differentiation on two sides is Siva. This side also, master of Devi, and this side also. He is searching after something, and when the differentiated world ends in Brahmaloka, there also Siva is devotee. This side, Siva is a yogi. He's searching after. And then, there, he's going to meet Narayana, to face [indistinct].
Prabhupada: Both sides, he's a devotee.
Prabhupada: Ah. Sadasiva.
Prabhupada: Advaitacarya.
Prabhupada: But when Pracetas, Pracetas also, they met Siva...
Prabhupada: Oh, they...
Sridhara Maharaja: Markandeya also in Bhagavatam. Markandeya worshiped Siva. But that is the devotee Siva. It is clearly mentioned in Bhagavatam. Markandeya's worshiping Siva. But that Siva is the pure devotee of Narayana.
Prabhupada: Pracetas, Siva, the Pracetas met in this material world or in the spiritual world? They met in the material world.
Prabhupada: Here, he's Bhutanatha, leaders of the atheistic class of men.
Prabhupada: Misleader.
Prabhupada: So Satsvarupa Maharaja, how do you like this place?
Satsvarupa: Very transcendental.
Prabhupada: Hmm.
Prabhupada: Here is Srutakirti.
Prabhupada: Srutakirti wants to serve you, provided you go with us, USA [laughter]. He says, "If Maharaja goes with us, then I shall take care of him."
Prabhupada: Ne. [Bengali]
Indian man: [Bengali]
[Bengali conversation continues for some time]
Prabhupada: Oh, patola is there? Oh.
[Bengali conversation interspersed with a little English, talking about success of the movement around the world, which vegetables to eat during Caturmasya, Bon Maharaja, and other topics for some minutes]
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Sridhara Maharaja: [Bengali] ...independent of matter. Into clear introspection, the spirit can see spirit, can feel spirit, but matter cannot feel matter. [Bengali] The matter presupposes spirit. Whatever you will ascribe to your forces, it presupposes consciousness: this is his color, this is dark, this is this, this is... This, that means...
Prabhupada: Consciousness studying forces.
Prabhupada: And the supermost.
Sridhara Maharaja: And in the ultimate reality, Krsna-all love, all good, all beauty. That realm. Consciousness can..., individual consciousness can live in and move in, in a land of beautiful. In the land of divine love. Anyone having any conception of beauty and love which is divine cause of the universe cannot write anything in this world than that. [indistinct] Param drstva nivartate [Bg 2.59]. All his charm has vanished as soon that type of rasa, that rasa, that quality has got little, how you can write in the heart. Everything. [sings mantras]
[Bengali and English]
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Prabhupada: So what is your advice? Shall I fly like the [indistinct] or return?
[Bengali, with little English, about different centers]
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Prabhupada: One intelligent boy-you have heard his name, George Harrison-he's one of the greatest musicians at the present moment, of the world. I think so, eh?
Devotee: Yes.
Prabhupada: George Harrison. So he's becoming-he's very intelligent-so he's becoming interested. Now recently he has given us a house in London which is fifty-five lakhs.
Prabhupada: Which is worth two hundred thousand Pound. Two hundred thousand Pound, ordinarily it is forty lakhs. And in the market value, because Pound is selling in India thirty, twenty-eight, at least twenty-five, in that way...
[break]
[Bengali conversation for some time, with little English interspersed]
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Prabhupada: I don't like it, air-conditioned. Artificial. [Bengali] Air-condition, I never liked.
[Bengali conversation continues with other man also]
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We are solely depending on our books. [Bengali conversation] ...Bhaktivedanta Book Fund account [Bengali]. "Five thousand dollars, you take advance. Deposit. And take my orders." So I gave him order, "Books worth fifty-two thousands of dollars, advancing five thousand dollars." And they gradually supplied to India. And from USA we gradually, little by little, we paid.
So that became the asset, of books. And I advised them that "You go and present these books to respectable gentlemen to become a member, and they'll become."
And actually that plan became successful. Now the same members, they have not only paid eleven hundred. Now some of them, they're paying eleven thousand. Recently one gentleman belonging to the Birla family... Eh?
Bhavananda: L. M. Birla.
Prabhupada: No, no. Another family. They came to our Calcutta center. In how many motors they came?
Bhavananda: Seventeen.
Prabhupada: Seventeen motorcars, whole family. And after seeing the Deity they presented a check for eleven thousand rupees. So by Krsna's grace, money is coming. There is no scarcity. And they are spending here in Mayapur. So with that five hundred..., five thousand dollar, whatever asset is Indian now, that is from five thousand...
Prabhupada: Now, these books suppliers, Dai Nippon, they give us credit up to $200,000. $200,000, in our Indian exchange, it is twenty lakhs of rupees. So they give us credit. We take books from them and distribute and then pay. In this way, it is going on. In Los Angeles alone we are selling... How many books daily?
Srutakirti: Two thousand, maybe. Fifteen hundred a day.
Prabhupada: Two thousand pieces, and the collection is about eight thousand dollars..., no, eight hundred dollars. Eight hundred dollars. So they're very anxiously taking our books. A new literature. They have no such idea, what is God, what is bhakti, how they can be explained. Our Bhagavad-gita As It Is, publisher Macmillan, within one year... Last August they, the first edition. And... Not yet August. By this time, they have finished two editions, and the third edition is in the press. That will be available in July.
Prabhupada: Fifty thousand.
Prabhupada: Fifty. Five, zero.
Prabhupada: And Bhagavata also, we have got six volumes. So people purchase the whole set, sixty dollars.
[aside:] Sixty dollars for the whole set? No? How much?
Srutakirti: They sell it for thirty dollars.
Prabhupada: Thirty dollars, yes. So this is very encouraging that our books are [Bengali]. The books are selling like anything, these books.
Prabhupada: Hotcakes, yes. [laughter] We are ordering to Dai Nippon... Because they are giving us facilities, 100,000 copies each. And distributed all over the world. Australia... The whole world. Australia is English-speaking. Whole America is English-speaking. England, English-speaking. And Europe also, half, English-speaking.
India, more than half English-speaking. So in this way, English literatures, worldwide circulation we are getting. And besides that, we have published in German language, in Spanish language. Just yesterday I received Spanish Back to Godhead. People are liking it very much. So here is something.
Prabhupada: Publication... I have made one Trust, Bhaktivedanta Book Trust.
Prabhupada: In Los Angeles. He's very intelligent boy. He knows everything. He knows accounts, He knows how to construct building. He knows how to manage. He knows how to publish. Everything.
Prabhupada: Oh, why? Why not Back to Godhead?
Prabhupada: It is [indistinct].
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Sridhara Maharaja: [Bengali] Once letter to me in [indistinct], in Benares Candrasekhara and Navadvipa Candrasekhara, uncle. The Benares Candrasekhara, the lekha sudra, and the Mahaprabhu's maternal uncle, Candrasekhara Acarya...
Prabhupada: Candrasekhara, yes.
Sridhara Maharaja: And Candrasekhara...
Prabhupada: Where?
Sridhara Maharaja: Has been told to be this Candrasekhara, a servant Candrasekhara.
Prabhupada: And he is...
Prabhupada: Uncle, uncle. In Back to Godhead, you have seen it.
Prabhupada: Maybe.
Sridhara Maharaja: So much clear conception in such a small period of time that they have acquired. This is a marvelous thing. The [indistinct] also, ISKCON has said in such a way, this Damodara Svarupa and the Pandita Damodara. Generally, these are for public, but minute reader only can differentiate.
Prabhupada: Oh. [chuckles] Opposite party.
Prabhupada: In which book?
Prabhupada: Eh? In which book? Or he spoke in a speech or what?
Prabhupada: But he hasn't got many books.
Prabhupada: That is not a...
Prabhupada: Eh?
Prabhupada: Prabhupada, yes.
Prabhupada: And therefore he was called back.
Prabhupada: [chuckles] And there was a picture: "Swamiji is playing on harmonium."
Prabhupada: So our present Tirtha Maharaja, Bhakti-Vilasa-Tirtha Maharaja, he's representing Prabhupada. At least, he tries to pose himself. So Bon Maharaja's activities, in comparison to that, my activities certainly better. And Bon Maharaja was given so much reception. But he did not give me any reception. How he can claim to be Prabhupada's representative?
Prabhupada: No, Prabhupada appreciated anyway.
Prabhupada: But here there is no appreciation.
Sridhara Maharaja: He's representing..., he's representing the mission, he thinks. He thinks so, but he's so poor in his preaching capacity that he cannot accommodate any other in his camp than him and Vinobhe[?]. I heard a story of Maharashtra. In old age, there was a good king who encouraged the panditas very much. And he had got in his assembly a scholar, one Balarama. He always looked after this, that.
No pandita can have any entrance to that Maharaja. And he professed himself to be, he is the biggest pandita in the land. So once Kalidasa... At the time of Kalidasa. Kalidasa, when he heard, then he formed a plan and went to that pandita, that "I am a poor brahmana. I want some, some sort of money from the king. You are all in..."
Prabhupada: Recommend.
Sridhara Maharaja: "Please recommend me." "Oh, yes." And then "What sort of scholarship you have got? Do you..., can you compose any poem?" "Yes. I can." "Then do it." Then: uttisthottistha bhu-rajan mukham praksalaya atha, roditi na ghare kukurana vaidyuhi na vaidyo hi.[?] This stanza. What is the meaning? [laughs] The uttisthottistha rajan: "O King,..."
Prabhupada: "Get up."
Prabhupada: Wash up.
Sridhara Maharaja: "...cleanse your mouth. Wash your mouth." And ta... Then what is this ta? "Well, keep it in your hand." Roditi na ghare kukura... "The ta must come here." Roditi na ghare kukura ta mughi. "That ta is placed there in advance; that ta must come here." Roditi na ghare kukura ta. "But for the canda, and it has been removed there. And that one word, the place was empty.
So this ta has been positioned, has been placed there." Roditi na ghare kukura. "And what is this ca vai tu ki, ca vai tu ki? No." "This is ca-vai-tu-ki, all these letters only to pada, for pada purana. So this fourth pada, I could not fill up. So these four things have been placed here." Ca vai tu ki, "Oh, that's very good. I'll put it to the king."
Prabhupada: He saw it is very intelligent.
[Bengali-recites some verses]
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Prabhupada: Nobody should be allowed. [laughter]
Prabhupada: Yes. [laughs]
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes. Tusarkanti[?] very much appreciates.
Prabhupada: He told me that he was given...
Sridhara Maharaja: Former relative. Then Tirtha Maharaja told him that "What about my guru?" "Well, if your guru on one side, another bullock in another side, and if you can plow and produce some crops, and that can be offered to Mahaprabhu, then your guru may have a path of relish." [laughs] See what Tirtha Maharaja says, "This is blasphemy."
Prabhupada: [laughs]
Prabhupada: Yes.
Sridhara Maharaja: If he's presently the pakka Mayavadi, if he's used passively by a great man, then only in that way he can come this side. Not in front walking. Not by front walking. Only by back drawing he can be taken to this side only. It is quite true. That... So Cinmayananda, now Gaura Maharaja, he...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: This time, in their meeting, they made me chief guest. But I did not attend.
Prabhupada: In, in a big meeting, they made me chief guest.
Prabhupada: That, that...
Prabhupada: Omkaranatha...
Prabhupada: And that, uh...
Prabhupada: Yes. He lectured. And I did not go.
Bhavananda: They were made vice-presidents, but Srila Prabhupada was asked to be chief speaker.
Sridhara Maharaja: Once when I was in a hut here, then Anandamani came to Navadvipa, and one devotee, Mano-ranjana, he wanted to bring Anandamani here. I refused, that "I won't be able to pay any respect to her. She's a pakka Mayavadi." I, I saw that she, with a cow in her back and with the flute...
Prabhupada: Yes, there is a picture like that.
Tirtha Maharaja is of this type, this type. I had one Sanskrit sloka devoted to Prabhupada: Gauri-gaṅga-tate nava-braja navadvipe tu mayapure sri caitanyam atha prakasa-kamaru jivaika-kalanaudhi, sri-siddhanta-sarasvatiti milito gauri gurvanyaih bhartur amriba prabhata gagane rupanuga-pujitau. Siddhanthi, [Bengali] He told the composer of this poem, "He has got not a place in the matha of Prabhupada. Who can praise him in such a poem, he cannot, he has no place..."
Prabhupada: Place.
Prabhupada: Desire.
Prabhupada: Apnara composition.
Prabhupada: The mohan.
Prabhupada: The mukti
[Bengali conversation continues, with many Sanskrit verses praising Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati]
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[Bengali conversation]
Prabhupada: ...so many fruit trees.
[Bengali conversation] [break]
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Prabhupada: Eh? This is very beautiful species.
Srutakirti: Yes, big birds and...
Prabhupada: Eh?
Jayapataka: Engineer was saying that if we have a big tree around the building, then it blocks the view of the building. [laughter] We will make such beautiful building and no one will see it through the trees..
Prabhupada: If we cover with these gardens big, big trees, then the beautiful building will be covered. So therefore he wants to keep it barren. [laughter]
Devotee: That is how the engineer always sees his engineering.
Sridhara Maharaja: You see, Vrndavanam, Gauravanam. The vegetable class is not eliminated. They have got their part to play, and that is not to be neglected. At night... At night...
Prabhupada: I think, Maharaja, after your coming here, all these trees have grown.
Prabhupada: Only the mango tree I remember...
Sridhara Maharaja: Others have grown. At night in the forest pastimes, holding a principal part of the krsna-lila. And when pasturing the cows, then also, forest is necessary. So it will arouse in your mind the memory of Vrndavana and the Gauravana. They have got their part to play. And what Uddhava says?
"I aspire after the birth of a shrub or creeper or a grass in this land because I may have chance of being..., having been tread by Your, those divine damsels. Then their feet dust will be on me." So that is a necessary and important part, this vegetable kingdom...
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Prabhupada: Wither away.
Prabhupada: [Bengali]
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Prabhupada: Pre-youth.
Prabhupada: Pre-youthtime, kisora.
[Bengali conversation]
Prabhupada: Have we got bael nuts also, with our garden?
Devotee: Separate.
Prabhupada: Oh, separate. Yes, bael nut is separate. That police officer, Ashe, district magistrate...
[Bengali conversation for some time, some English interspersed]
...they said they will come here. Ostentatious childhood, the real key factor. [Bengali] ...be able to understand reality.
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[Bengali conversation with English interspersed; Sanskrit verses]
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Prabhupada: Feeble now. So palanquin is all right. He can be carried in palanquin.
Prabhupada: Now, this is the palanquin.
Prabhupada: No, why? All aristocratic kings, they were carried by palanquin.
Prabhupada: And...
Prabhupada: Motor, motorcar, there is jerking.
Prabhupada: Now, now we, this, recently, before coming here, one of my student, Syamasundara, he took me from the airport on helicopter to my temple, and he spent over one thousand pounds for that rascal thing. [laughter] Unnecessarily. "Why you have spent unnecessarily?" No.
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Indian man: [Bengali conversation] [end]
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