700515IP.LA
Sri Isopanisad, Mantra 10

Los Angeles, May 15, 1970
(Prabhupada chants first ten verses with devotees)
Prabhupada: So this verse is very important.
anyad evahur vidyaya
anyad ahur avidyaya
iti susruma dhiranam
ye nas tad vicacaksire
[Iso 10]
So here is one word, iti susruma. Susruma means heard. The word meaning is there. "It is heard." In the Vedic disciplic succession, it is never said, "It is experienced." That is the secret of Vedic understanding. No student will... Just like people are now engaged in researching what is there in the moon planet. So this is material policy, to try to understand things by his own experience. Pratyaksa, direct, experimental knowledge. The Vedic understanding is different. It is sruti. Sruti means to hear from authoritative source. That is real knowledge. Just like I have given many times this example that if you want to know your father by experimental knowledge, is it possible? Not possible. Then how to know my father? By hearing from the authority, mother. That's all. Simple thing. Similarly, things which are beyond our experimental knowledge you should not try to understand by your imperfect senses. That is not possible. If you cannot know your material father by experimental knowledge, how you can know the Supreme Father by experimental knowledge? The original father... The father of the father, father, father, you go on searching father, and the original father is Krsna. So if you cannot understand your material father, the next generation, by experimental knowledge, how you can know God, or Krsna, by experimental knowledge? Can you answer this, anyone?
So people are searching what is God. And searching, searching, searching, and they fail. They say, "Oh, there is no God. I am God." Finished. You see? This is not possible. Here it is said, iti susruma. This is Vedic knowledge. Heard, susruma. Wherefrom susruma? From the storekeeper? No. Dhiranam susruma. Iti susruma dhiranam. What is dhiranam? From the sober sect. Not this fanatic sect, but the sober sect, dhira. Dhira means whose senses are not agitated by material influence, or svami, or gosvami. He is called dhira. There are different kinds of agitation. The first agitating agent is the mind, then the another agitating agent is this tongue. Another agitating agent is our speaking power. Vaco-vega krodha-vega. Another agitation is when we become angry. When we become angry, we forget. We do any nonsense due to the agitation of anger. When we speak in anger, we speak so many nonsense things. Vaco-vegam krodha-vegam manasa-vegam jihva-vegam. Jihva-vegam, agitation of the jihva, tongue. Don't you see? For the agitation of the tongue so many advertisement: "Oh, here is this liquor," "Here is this chicken," "Here is this beef." What for? To satisfy the agitation of the tongue. Does it mean that without beef, without chicken, without liquor, we cannot live? Is it a fact? It is not a fact. For living, we have got so many nice things. God has, Krsna has given-isavasyam idam sarvam [Iso mantra 1]for human being. You can take these grains, these fruits, the nice things, the milk. The milk is produced hugely. It is not for the cow itself, who is producing the milk; it is for human being. Tena tyaktena bhunjitha. That is the allotment. God's allotment is, "You, Mr. or Miss Cow, or Mrs. Cow, although you are producing milk, you cannot drink it. It is for the human being. Better. Better animal. Not that... What you will do by drinking milk?" No animal... Of course, in infant stage every animal living (drinks) mother's milk. That is nature's... But so far the cow's milk is concerned, that is specifically meant for the human being. So tena tyaktena bhunjitha. What is ordained by Krsna, or God, you take it. But we have got the agitation of the tongue. Why shall I be satisfied simply taking grains, milk, and vegetables, and fruits? Let me maintain hundreds of slaughterhouse and kill these animals. After taking their milk, although she becomes my mother, for my tongue agitation let them be killed. You see?
So this is not... You haven't got to hear from such nonsense, but you have to hear from the dhiranam, those who have controlled their senses. That is the gosvami, or svami. One who has six kinds of control: control of the mind, control of the tongue, control of anger, control of speaking, control of the genital, and control of the belly. Six kinds of agitating agents: the mind, the tongue, the belly, the genital, the speaking... So one who has control over these six things, he is called dhiranam. Dhira. Hara eva (?) dhira. Just like in Kumara-sambhava. There is a nice poetry made by a great poet, Kalidasa. It is called Kumara-sambhava. This Kumara-sambhava, we had our prescribed books in our intermediate I.A. class, Kumara-sambhava. Kumara-sambhava, the fact of the Kumara-sambhava is that when Parvati suicided herself in the Daksa-yajna, then Lord Siva was very angry. He left this world. That's a Daksa-yajna story. You might have heard from Bhagavatam. So he was engaged in meditation, and there was fight between the demons and the demigods. They wanted a very nice general. So it was concluded that with the semina of Lord Siva, if a son is born, then he'll be able to fight this great fight between the demons. So Lord Siva was in meditation, completely naked. So this Parvati was sent to worship the Siva-linga just to agitate him for sex. But he was not agitated. He was still silent. So that particular instance is given by Kalidasa, "Here is a dhira." Dhira. He is naked. A young girl is worshiping the genital, touching it; still he's not agitated. So that is the example of being dhira. Dhira means there may be causes for agitation, but one shall not be agitated. That is called dhira. In spite of presence of the agent of agitating... Just like there is a very nice foodstuff, but still, my tongue should not be agitated. There is a very nice girl or boy, still, I shall not be agitated sexually. In this way, when you are able to control the six agitating elements, then you become dhira. Dhira. Not that he had, Lord Siva had no sexual potency, but he was dhira. That is the example. Just like Krsna danced with so many girls, but there was no sex appetite. That is called dhira.
So you have to hear from such person, dhira. Here it is stated, iti susruma dhiranam. Dhiranam. Then your knowledge will be perfect. If you hear from adhiranam, those who are not controlled, then it is useless knowledge. But here it is in the Vedic version of Isopanisad, iti susruma dhiranam ye nas tad vicacaksire. So the student has approached the spiritual master and he says that "We have heard like this. Now it may be kindly explained." So teacher or the spiritual master is not inventing something. The same old thing. Just like the Bhagavad-gita, the old thing is being explained again by Krsna to Arjuna. So we have no, nothing to research. Everything is there. Simply we have to hear from a person who is dhira, who is not agitated by the six kinds of agitating agents. That is the process of Vedic knowledge.
So always remember that we have to learn from a person who is dhira, who has control over these agitating agents.
Thank you. (end)

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