Room Conversation – January 8, 1977, Bombay

Prabhupada: Let them chant and take prasadam. They'll... Everyone will get. Then gradually, as a snake charming, by chanting, chanting, chanting, then they will be subdued. And that is guaranteed process. There is no doubt. Anyone, even a man is like a snake. In material world everyone is a snake-envious. Snake is very envious. You are passing by the side, "Oh! You are passing by my side?" This is snake. No offense. Because he is passing-he has got the poison-he'll utilize it. This is snake. Without offense. If somebody hurts him or tramples him-no. "Oh, you are so daring? You are passing? You do not know I am snake?" Sarpaḥ kruraḥ khalaḥ kruraḥ sarpat krurataraḥ khalaḥ [Niti Sastra, Canakya Panḍita].

There are similarly men also, unnecessarily they are envious, offensive. Unnecessary. They cannot tolerate others' opulence. Just like our Godbrothers. They are envious. What I have done to them? I am doing my business, trying to serve my Guru Maharaja. But they are envious because I am so opulent. I have got so much status, so many temples, so much influence all over the world. Everyone is praising me about... This is ignorance. And this is regrettable, because they are posing themselves as Vaisnava. Ordinary man can do that, but they are dressing like Vaisnava, and they are so envious. Unnecessary. That Tirtha Maharaja, unnecessarily he was envious, whole life fighting, fighting, fighting in the court and died. Simply planning.

[pause] So who has gone for the beads?

Hari-sauri: She's just got some beads.

Jagadisa: Oh, she's got them?

Prabhupada: Let her come.

Hari-sauri: Well, she was just putting them on. That's why...

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Hari-sauri: She was just trying to put them on.

Prabhupada: So there is no woman here?

Jagadisa: No.

Prabhupada: She can help her tilaka. Call Palika.

Jagadisa: Tilaka is already on.

Prabhupada: Oh. [pause] I think Mathura train also goes early in the morning. You have taken before?

Jagadisa: Not from Bombay.

Prabhupada: Two, three train goes: one Frontier Mail, one Deluxe Express and another. Three trains for Delhi. It takes, altogether, from here to Delhi, nineteen hours. And Mathura, still two hours less. And from Mathura it is six miles. There are buses, rickshaw.

Hari-sauri: There's a woman coming now to put on her neckbeads. [end]