February 27, 1977, Māyāpura
Prabhupāda: (reads Sanskrit) ...Aniya mahat-pado smariya gurave namaḥ.(?) In a short time he has learned very nicely.
śreṣṭha vedyaṁ dadāsi te
namaste gurave namaḥ(?)
oṁ śrīmad-bhāgavataṁ gītā
bhaktiko manyave bhavān(?)
I am surprised that he has learned so quickly. Very nice.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He should be given letter.(?)
Rādhā-vallabha: Anyway, he made one arrangement with another devotee to marry this devotee's daughter.
Prabhupāda: This boy?
Rādhā-vallabha: Yes. The boy that wrote that. And he made arrangement with another devotee to marry her daughter at a later date. She's only twelve. So I've told him not to do anything until I spoke to you, because I don't think this has ever been done in our movement yet.
Rādhā-vallabha: I don't think anyone has ever done this before in our movement, the Vedic system. So I had a few questions about it. First of all I told them that they shouldn't associate until the actual time that they get married. That's true, isn't it?
Prabhupāda: No, no, marriage, they do not speak. That is the disease in your country, that... There is no objection nineteen-years-old boy and twelve-years girl, it is very good combination, but the culture is so bad that after few days they will separate.
Prabhupāda: If they stick to have one husband and one wife, it is very good. Or even the man can marry more than one wife. That is allowed in the Vedic system. The difficulty is nobody remains as wife, nobody remains husband. It is very dangerous. That is against Vedic. Otherwise man can have more than one wife, but woman cannot marry more than one husband. But the system—the boys and girls intermingle so freely, and in your country there is no restriction—naturally it becomes adulterated. That is the danger.
Prabhupāda: Knowing or no knowing, they'll not do with him. So what is the use of consulting me? They'll break. They'll promise and they'll break. How you can make them standardized? They will break.
Prabhupāda: They'll never become. That is my experience. So what is the use of consulting me? They'll never become. Almost impossible. They'll not keep standardized.
Prabhupāda: What is the use of consulting? They'll promise and they'll break.
Rādhā-vallabha: Yes, you were telling me in Hawaii about that, that that is the difficulty. They have no responsibility. All right, I'll tell him that.
Prabhupāda: Otherwise there is no objection. I married; my wife was eleven years old.
Prabhupāda: Everyone in India responsible. That is Indian culture still.
Rādhā-vallabha: Should... When they agree at this young age, they should wait till they get older, right?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Generally a girl attains puberty at fourteen years, thirteen years. In India because it is tropical climate... I think in Western countries they attain puberty not before fifteen, sixteen years. So although a girl is married before puberty, she is not allowed to go to the husband until she has attained puberty. Formerly, in our days also, after attaining puberty there is another second marriage. Then the husband and wife live together.
Prabhupāda: No. That is... Minimum age means generally the husband must be older than the wife, at least five years' difference.
Rādhā-vallabha: What is the most amount of years they can be different? What is the maximum amount of years there can be difference?
Prabhupāda: Man has no maximum. Even an eighty-years-old man can marry a sixteen-years-old girl. (laughter)
Rādhā-vallabha: Because this one devotee has a daughter twelve and he wanted to marry her to a man twenty-six, but he thought that was too much difference.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is too much difference. But eight years, ten years usual.
Prabhupāda: That is healthy.
Prabhupāda: And in no case... The girl must not be older than the boy. That's not good at all.
Rādhā-vallabha: At the time of the agreement, when they are not yet old enough, they do not associate at all. So not until the actual marriage do they associate or wear white or anything like that.
Prabhupāda: No, even they can be married, but no association.
Rādhā-vallabha: No association. So the boy can be... If the girl has attained puberty say at thirteen, fourteen, even if the boy is only twenty, twenty-one it is all right. All right. I wanted to make sure. I wasn't allowing them to see each other. I wanted to make sure they weren't doing anything un-bona fide. So I'll tell him that. I have the... Jagannātha dāsa has done synonyms for Brahma-saṁhitā. For the Brahma-saṁhitā printing, Jagannātha dāsa has done some synonyms. Would you like to use the book also? I have the book here.
Prabhupāda: No... Yes. (Prabhupāda apparently looks them over) [break]
Rādhā-vallabha: Good. When we print this book, should we distribute it freely? Should we distribute this book to the masses?
Prabhupāda: No harm. So what is the arrangement?
Rādhā-vallabha: I was thinking that it would be nice to do it the way we do Bhāgavatam, with the devanāgarī, transliteration, synonyms, translation, and purport, say size of Īśopaniṣad.
Prabhupāda: Why not this boy help? He knows Sanskrit.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I have the... Mr... I forget his name. From Central Bank. The gentleman who saw you. So I filled out these cards, and he's willing to open this account now. This account... Until they open a proper branch here, this account is actually being held at Camak Street. It's called account but it will be held in Camak Street, and when they open the branch then it will be shipped here as account number one.
Prabhupāda: But we want payment here?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Now, they want to know from us whether we want them to remain here after the festival.
Prabhupāda: We have no objection.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We have no objection. Okay. So as far as the... We want them, I think. If they don't remain here, then what is the use of opening account?
Prabhupāda: Yes. yes. Camak Street, I have got already account.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Now so far as the elmira goes, I discussed with them. So their understanding was that once they open their actual branch, they're going to be purchasing all their furniture in Calcutta and bringing it here. So they're just temporarily using it.
Prabhupāda: That's all right.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. Let me first ask them, before you sign this, whether they'll keep it open, because if they're going to close it now, there's no use in signing it.
Prabhupāda: No. Because in Calcutta I have got already.
Prabhupāda: I have no objection.
Prabhupāda: So that Jagannātha, he has come? No.
Prabhupāda: Let them... Let them do together.
Rādhā-vallabha: Yes. That's the system actually. There are some other... There actually is a big department. There are about eight or nine boys. They're all getting very good. Now Jagannātha had some questions on corrections in the book. In verse twenty-eight it says, "Then he worshiped Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the essence of all Vedas, with this hymn."
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Rādhā-vallabha: So it says, "Then he worshiped Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the essence of all Vedas, with this hymn."
Prabhupāda: Where it is?
Rādhā-vallabha: It's verse twenty-eight, "Then he worshiped Śrī Kṛṣṇa." So Jagannātha said it should be, "Then he worshiped..."
Prabhupāda: No, no. Jagannātha cannot correct. That bad habit he must give up.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. You should not be more educated.
Prabhupāda: Nothing of the... This of should be strictly forbidden.
Prabhupāda: They can divide the synonyms. That's all.
Prabhupāda: That is his tendency, to correct. That's very bad. He should not do that.
Prabhupāda: The system is: whatever authority has done, even there is mistake, it should be accepted.
Prabhupāda: Asa-prāya(?) That is ha... He should not become more learned than the authority. That is very bad habit.
Rādhā-vallabha: He was always wondering how he should think. So I'll tell him that. He thinks, "If I think I see a mistake, what should I think?" I'll tell him what you just said.
Prabhupāda: He cannot see mistake. He is mistake. (laughter) He should... That is being done by this rascal. I don't want. And the Hayagrīva has..., the Easy Journey, he has changed so many things. That... He is now bad character. You should not maintain him.
Prabhupāda: No. He has no responsibility even on his family.
Prabhupāda: What she said?
Rādhā-vallabha: Well, she was asking me whether he would want to live with her. I told her that I didn't think so.
Prabhupāda: Why? Why did you advise?
Prabhupāda: Responsible or not responsible, they should live together.
Prabhupāda: But actually he's bad. He has gone out.
Rādhā-vallabha: He is still working on the philosophy book. So when he finishes that, that will be the last.
Prabhupāda: Why finish it? Whatever is done is done. No more. I understand that he is intoxicated.
Prabhupāda: We cannot pay for his intoxication.
Rādhā-vallabha: I was thinking of stopping anyway. Now that you have said it, it makes it very simple. I can find a way that it will be done nicely. Practically there's nothing for him to do, very important, anyway.
Prabhupāda: Hm. What is that?
Woman devotee (1): Medicine, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Rādhā-vallabha: So, also in the songbook... We will have to reprint that soon. The way it is now, I remember you also once told me that Acyutānanda makes mistakes in the Bengali. And the Sanskrit department, Jagannātha and the others, say that there are a lot of mistakes that they would like to correct. Is that all right? Do you want synonyms? Do you want synonyms in the songbook? No? Okay. We are also doing a very nice cookbook. Yamunā is doing it. I passed on the instruction that you left in Madhya-līlā that the recipes at Advaitācārya's house should be included. She's gotten practically all of those. She's going to put the cookbook together in such a way that it will be an example for Deity worship for all the temples, and we hope to have that finished this year sometime. That's all right?
Prabhupāda: Last time Acyutānanda was given some money. Still the same arrangement is there?
Rādhā-vallabha: I don't like this philosophy, that if someone does some service they should get money for it. That's business.
Prabhupāda: I think he was paid some money.
Prabhupāda: Yes. This system is not good.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So they have permission from the Reserve Bank to keep this extension open up to one month. I asked him, "How long will it take until you get the actual branch?" They said, "Somewhere between one and two months." So if we open an account, it's guaranteed that you will be able to draw money here up to one month's time. By then, either they'll open the branch, and if they don't, then whatever funds you have here will be transferred to your Calcutta account. And as soon as the branch is open, they will immediately transfer back here as account number one.
Prabhupāda: That's nice. All right.
Prabhupāda: So I shall do it. I'm talking with him.
Rādhā-vallabha: This system of the money, I stopped that in Los Angeles. It was becoming prevalent that whenever they wanted to do some extra service, they would want money. So I told them if they want money they can't do it in service to you. It has to be something else. Otherwise the whole thing is spoiled.
Prabhupāda: No money.
Rādhā-vallabha: All right. I'll enforce that strictly. The only money is for rent and some small maintenance, eating. That's all.
Prabhupāda: And if we have got our own place, no rent even.
Prabhupāda: And to... If there is no our place, then we'll pay rent.
Prabhupāda: Otherwise you must accommodate him in our place.
Rādhā-vallabha: Most of the rent I pay is to the ISKCON property account, and that all comes back to Māyāpura, etc., so there's no problem there. Also another thing is children's books. I was looking at the gurukula books. You don't want to get into that. Oh.
Prabhupāda: They are not wanted. We have got one color book?
Prabhupāda: That is sufficient. No more.
Prabhupāda: Hm? Why... That one book is sufficient. Why more books about this?
Prabhupāda: Why ten books? Not a single student knows well English, neither Sanskrit, and ten books.
Prabhupāda: Why I do not know. You just discuss this. They do not learn anything, and we are printing books.
Prabhupāda: "Themself" means?
Rādhā-vallabha: They have a little... In Dallas they a little photostat, and Nandarāṇī would write and they would print it.
Prabhupāda: So it is waste of time, waste of money and waste of time.
Prabhupāda: This policy is not good. Why?
Prabhupāda: No, no. We should not invest our BBT money in that way.
Prabhupāda: Strictly. It is not required, unnecessarily investing money. It should be noted.
Prabhupāda: Before investing money in anything, you should ask me.
Prabhupāda: The donation may be given. That...
Prabhupāda: It should be invested very conscientiously.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The thing is, though, that when we get these donations, it's because we suggest that they be invested in a particular way. The people often state that. It's not that they're so dedicated to the particular way we invest the money. I've seen that very often. It's due to our suggestion.
Rādhā-vallabha: In some cases, but in other cases it's not possible to get money unless you... Like with the Laguna Beach people. Unless they know exactly what it's going for, they won't give something. And this is the type of thing that can inspire them to give a little money, especially the ones that don't give anything. Anyway, even if a donation comes, I won't do anything with it until I speak to you.
Prabhupāda: No, donation may come for causes good, many, but investment must be conscientious.
Prabhupāda: Not that because you are getting donation very easily and you spend it, squander it, like that, anything. No. That should not be.
Prabhupāda: So Jagannātha-sūta should be strictly advised not to become very learned to correct authorities. No.
Prabhupāda: Oh. That's it. He should not be very learned.
Rādhā-vallabha: I think that instruction you gave will help him very much about even if he thinks there is some mistake, just forget about it.
Prabhupāda: He is mistake. He should not think his authority mistake.
Prabhupāda: So why he should be given this business? He's such irresponsible man. He should not be given any responsible work. Our first business should see how he is advanced in devotion. We don't want so-called scholars.
Prabhupāda: Leave, I don't mind. Just like he became a big scholar.
Prabhupāda: Nitāi, he's a rascal.
Prabhupāda: I know that.
Rādhā-vallabha: I think he understands what the problem was. I think he understands what his problem was, and that's why he won't do anything without asking you.
Prabhupāda: Don't allow him to do anything.
Rādhā-vallabha: Well, now that this system of no corrections anywhere, that makes it very simple. Then he can't do anything. I don't think he wants to, either. It makes it more simple for him. It makes him very uncomfortable.
Prabhupāda: No corrections. He can write that synonym, that's all, according to the translation. Who is writing the synonym?
Prabhupāda: That's all right. According to the translation. Not that he becomes a greater scholar than my Guru Mahārāja.
Prabhupāda: Alpa-vidyā bhayaṅkare.(?) This is the Western countries' deficiency. They learn little, and they consider that he has become very learned scholar. This is the defect.
Prabhupāda: Where he is now?
Rādhā-vallabha: I don't know. I heard that he was heading for America, then wanted to go back to India, some nonsense. I could find out if you want me to. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: "...to find out better guru."
Prabhupāda: Where is his wife?
Rādhā-vallabha: I heard there was some correspondence between them after he left you. Birds of a feather.
Prabhupāda: So they are husband and wife still or not?
Prabhupāda: Hm. But she was pregnant?
Rādhā-vallabha: I don't know. She was living with her parents in Colorado, I think. He is from there also.
Prabhupāda: He was polluted by the..., that Puruṣottama.
Prabhupāda: No, no, not that Puruṣottama. Another, my... He says my Godbrother.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He has very intimately mixed. I think that he arranged for delivering books, this Nitāi.
Rādhā-vallabha: He used to send me corrections all the time, this Puruṣottama. I would throw them in the garbage.
Prabhupāda: Still he sends corrections?
Prabhupāda: So, you can take this. He can... On the basis of the translation, he can make the synonyms. And this boy is good. He should be engaged. He should guide. He knows Sanskrit letter. And I very much appreciate his writing. Tell him. He has done very nice.
Prabhupāda: He should be encouraged.
Prabhupāda: He is good boy.
Rādhā-vallabha: I have other things to ask you on other books. Would you rather I ask you a different time?
Prabhupāda: Not now.
Prabhupāda: That's nice. I'll see.
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