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Evening Darsana

February 19, 1977, Mayapura
Prabhupada: How do they speak there is no soul? What is the reason?
Acyutananda: Their reason is they cannot see the soul.
Prabhupada: Then they have no intelligence. Mudha.
Acyutananda: When we dig a hole here and there's water, within a few weeks there's fish and frogs. They say that is...
Prabhupada: Jalaja. First jalaja nava-laksani. Jalaja nava-laksani. Not only one variety, but nine lakhs of varieties they come out from the water.
Acyutananda: But where do they come? They're in the water, latent in the water.
Prabhupada: They're alive. Sarva-ga. Therefore we say that "Why not in the fire?" If there is life in water, why not in the fire? You cannot see. You have no eyes. There is life, and Krsna says, nainam dahati pavakah. Fire does not burn the living being, so why they will be not in fire? And Krsna said, imam vivasvate yogam proktavan aham. He entered the sun planet.
Acyutananda: So nothing material can divide the soul, but spiritual, when it enters the spiritual world, then it is dividing.
Prabhupada: No, there is no question of dividing
Prabhupada: Sanatana. That is Mayavada. Krsna says, mamaivamso jiva-bhutah jiva-loke sanatanah [Bg. 15.7]. Sanatana means eternally they are divided. And Krsna says further in the Second Chapter that...
Hari-sauri: Na tv evaham jatu nasam.
Prabhupada: Yes. "You, Me, and all these kings, they were existingthe individual. You, Me, and... They're existing now, and they'll continue to exist." So where there is oneness? All individual eternally, as amsa, amsi, this finger and the body. You can say this finger is my body, but finger is not the body, whole body. Finger is finger. Not that if Krsna's body is eternal, the finger is also eternal. Not that today it is finger, tomorrow is whole body. That is defective, Mayavada philosophy. Finger always exists as finger. Krsna is eternal, His finger is eternal, but the finger and the body is the same material. They're not different. They become different when they come to material world without touch of Krsna. This finger is finger even it is cut, but it is useless. When this finger is cut and fallen in the ground it will be said, "finger of Swamiji or somebody." It is not anything... But because it is cut from the whole, it has no value. One screw from this machine is the same screw. But when it is separate from this machine, it has no value. But when you want to add to ityou go to purchase that screwit will cost you five rupees. But without this machine, nobody cares for that screw. So our position is like that.
As soon as he separated from Krsna to become independent, that is maya. He has, loses all value, spiritual value. And in connection with maya, it appears in different forms. And, the example is given, as the moon reflected in the water and when the water is agitated, it is sometimes round, sometimes straight, sometimes broken, sometimes..., like that... So we are eternal spirit soul. As soon as we come in contact with maya, by agitation of the mind we assume different forms of lifeand suffer. Hana mayara dasa kari' nana abhilasa. And that abhilasa is the agitation. The same example, that, is given. Moon is sometimes round, sometimes long, sometimes broken, sometimes... It is nothing. It is neither broken, neither round, nor... It is. It is as it is. But on account of agitation of the material body, it appears sometimes demigod, sometimes man, sometimes hog, sometimes cat-change, change of the body, 8,400,000 different change. (aside:) You can keep it there. Can keep it. All right. We have to stop this change, and that is the mission of human life: no more cat, no more dog, no more demigod, but eternally servitor of Krsna as cowherd boys, and gopis, or whatever you like. As trees, as calves, as cows, as Yamuna water, as Vrndavana-bhumieverything spiritual. Enjoy. Somebody's enjoying spiritual happiness by becoming Yamuna water. Somebody's enjoying as flower of Vrndavana, somebody as calf, somebody as cow, somebody as father, as mother, as friend, as conjugal friend, gopisall concentrated in Krsna. That is Vrndavana. Center is Krsna. Yasoda-nandana... What is that? Braja-jana-ranjana... Huh? Yamuna-tira-bana-cari. Radha-madhava kunja-bihari, yamuna-tira-bana-cari. So Yamuna is spiritual. Yamuna-tira is spiritual. The varieties, the Mayavadi cannot understand. Aruhya krcchrena param padam tatah patanty adhah [SB 10.2.32]. They want varieties, but don't accept spiritual variety. Therefore again material life. No other alternative. Aruhya krcchrena param padam tatah patanti. Again material varieties, philanthropic work, political work, this work, that work. First of all they give up-brahma satyam jagan mithya, the jagan mithya. And again they come out to open school. Why you come here again? Aruhya krcchrena param..., patanty adhah. Why? Anadrta-yusmad-anghrayah. They could not capture the spiritual varieties. Anadrta. As soon as there is spiritual varieties they think it is maya. That is Mayavada. There is no maya. Spiritual variety, there is no maya. Variety is the mother of enjoyment. (others enter-Bengali)
Indian man: Operation Krsna consciousness and destination Vaikuntha.
Prabhupada: (Bengali) Yes. Multi-varieties, all spiritual. Ananda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhavitabhis tabhir ya eva nija-rupataya kalabhih... [Bs. 5.37]. (Bengali) There is nothing material. Everything ananda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhavitabhis tabhir ya eva nija-rupataya kalabhih. Just like Brahma took awayagain He expanded. For one year nobody could understand that it is all expansion of Krsna. Krsna has become calf, Krsna has become cow, Krsna has become a cowherd boyeverything. Then Brahma saw, "Oh, I have done mistake." He can immediately expand into many thousands forms. Advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rupam adyam purana-purusam... [Bs. 5.33]. What is that clipping? Go on reading.
Satsvarupa: A number of clippings. This is a headline, that a new president, Carter, pardons draft evaders.
Prabhupada: Huh? Carter?
Satsvarupa: Previously there were so many young men in America who evaded the draft during the Vietnam war, and the government was looking for them. But now the new President is saying, "Let us forget the past. I forgive all these draft evaders. Let them come out and be good citizens."
Acyutananda: Because if they have another war, nobody will go and fight that war again. They will all leave America. So they want America to be very good now, so that everyone will love America and come back. Because if there's another war nobody will join the army. They'll just leave.
Prabhupada: So why there is war? They cannot stop war?
Acyutananda: They start wars. (Prabhupada chuckles) And in the chaos they make profit.
Prabhupada: That means there are many like you.
Acyutananda: Yes. (Prabhupada chuckling) They're all in Canada, Mexico.
Prabhupada: And Canada give them good shelter.
Prabhupada: People is proud to give American shelter. Is it not?
Prabhupada: What other?
Satsvarupa: This is an article... This is not very new. I don't know where all these articles came from, but it's about our movement in Chicago. It says, "The path of Krsna is like a sharpened razor. Whether selling incense or salvation, this band refuses to split hairs." "Uncompromising," it describes us.
Prabhupada: That is Kali's sign. Lavanyam kesa-dharanam. Five thousand years ago it was predicted, and now it is happening. Just see. This is sastra. Lavanyam kesa-dharanam. "Younger generation will think by keeping long hair they have become beautiful." It is mentioned in Bhagavata. Dampatye ratim eva hi: "Marriage means sex life." As soon as there is disturbance in rati, it is divorce.
Satsvarupa: This is two years old. "The deep roots of India's food plight."
Prabhupada: That's not... New...
Acyutananda: I think India has the whole world fooled, thinking that they have no food, so that they can get aid. Actually there is... Everywhere I go, there's more than enough food. Even if people don't give money, they give food. And the hippies come to India because they get food. There's so much food in India. Everyone will feed you, all the people.
Prabhupada: Yes. We are feeding. We want to feed more.
Acyutananda: But they make propaganda that they're starving to the whole world, that "We're starving nation," and they get aid. Powdered milk. Powdered milk is sold, though. Government takes that and they sell it.
Prabhupada: All right, let us preach. That is our only business. Kirtaniyah sada harih [Cc. Adi 17.31]. (Bengali with Bhakti-caru Swami) This is family. (Bengali with guest) If you can find out, bring him some way or other. He is very qualified man, but he's misguided. I think he did not like to live separate from his wife. That is his demands, maybe. (Bengali) Very qualified man.
Pradyumna: Yes. English, Hindi, Bengali...
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. And he wanted to live with me. So what happened to him? (Bengali) Now we want some Bengali literature, Bengali, Hindi. (Bengali) He has got command of the right... (Bengali)
Pradyumna: No. It's new edition.
Prabhupada: You find out that man. (Bengali) ...chai ne, drinking ne, smoking ne. It became too much inconvenience. Wife is separated. This is tapasya. It cannot be accepted by ordinary person. Tapasa brahmacaryena [SB 6.1.13]. Tapasya begins from brahmacarya. And brahmacarya means "no," so many. No "yes." Only "no's." "Not this, not this, not this." It is very difficult. Therefore the Americans are surprised: "How our sons have accepted so many 'no's' unless there is brainwash? And this man knows some mind control, and he's controlling their mind, independence. Bas. Deprogram. Capture them." This is the... "How our sons can accept so many 'no's'? " And important itemsno meat-eating, no illicit sex, no intoxication. Everything, life, is no. (laughs) Rayarama said, "It is simply 'no's.' " He left. What is their daily necessity, all "no." The same thing is happening now, that "How they have accepted the 'no's'? It is brainwash, mind control." Lord Zetland said, when he was offered these "no's," he said, "Impossible for us. We cannot give up this." And I was also thinking in the beginning, that "As soon as I propose this 'no's,' they will say, 'Go home.' (laughs) No more preaching." And it is Krsna's desire, they accepted so many 'no's.' I was not hopeful that these American young boys or gentlemen will accept these 'no's,' because I heard, "Lord Zetland said, 'It is impossible.' " If they go to a, one goes to a restaurant, he must find out one illicit woman. Is it not? It is not the practice, that they should go to a restaurant with one girl? Otherwise he's vagabond. (Bengali) He was ten years in London. He has good experience in villages. (aside:) Hare Krsna. (Bengali) Sit down. (Bengali) "...that you cannot become happy without Me. Therefore I advise you, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam [Bg. 18.66], aham tvam sarva-pa-I'll give you..." [break] Krsna yei bhaje sei bada catura. Therefore only intelligent person is he who is Krsna conscious. All fools. Mudhah nabhijanati mam ebhyah param avyayam. (Bengali) [break] One dayanika,(?) what is that? If he, that time, one paisa, if he could collect two annas, oh, he would encourage him like anything.
Indian: Two annas, eight paisa.
Prabhupada: Former paisa, when sixty-four paisa was one rupee. Now hundred equal to one. The purchasing power of money was big. Now thirty percent has gone up, but people's income has not gone up so much. Thirty percent, thirty times. Formerly gold was priced twenty rupees per tola. Now it is six hundred rupees. So thirty times. But people have not increased their income thirty times. My father was earning two hundred fifty to three hundred per month. So we were middle class. So now thirty times of three hundred means nine thousand. So which middle-class man has increased so much? Middle class man now, if he's earning one thousand rupees he's considered very well-to-do. But what is that one thousand rupees? Nothing. My father had from one business, one hundred rupees, from another business sixty rupees, and we had a house rented, eighty rupees. Eighty rupees, sixty rupees and hundred rupees. How much? Two hundred forty, plus something more. Utmost, three hundred. And in our house four, five guests was always present. It didn't matter. Besides that, he was inviting some Vaisnava, some sadhu. He married four daughters, and we were eating very sumptuously, daily two and half kg milk. Two annas per kg. Very nice milk. This man was coming from outside Calcutta. So we were so many children. We would stand, "Give some phao:" Two half kg's milk and half kg phao. He wouldn't mind.
Indian: Half kg, three, phao?
Prabhupada: (laughs) Because we are so many children, little, little, little. Krsna was asking for phao. That is the system in India. You purchase something from some vendor and ask little more phao. He'll give. That is included in the price. (Bengali) Phao? Especially children, they'll ask," Phao da." They'll give gladly. (Bengali) Ask them to come inside. (Bengali) Come inside. (Bengali) (end)

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