Prabhupada: Srimad bhagavate kim va paraih. There is no other literature required. Everything is perfect, word to word. What is that verse? Kalau nasta-drsam?

Sastriji: Esa puranarko 'dhunoditah.

Prabhupada: Simply that is the only light in this age.

Sastriji: Srimad-bhagavatam puranam amalam yad vaisnavanam priyam.

Prabhupada: Vaisnavanam priyam. (Bengali) So some professor has... [break] ...with this authorized literature. Somebody has not said?

Harikesa: Yes.

Prabhupada: Actually that is the fact. Therefore we don't like to read any books. Dr. Wolf, he is suggesting... Simply waste of time. Simply waste of time, except Vedic literature, all this nonsense.

Tamala Krsna: Place for the crows.

Prabhupada: Bas. That's all. Not for the swans. They are admitting. Otherwise how it is selling unless they are admitting the value? Maybe a few, but they are realizing. I told you that one young man, very respectable, he came to me in airport, maybe Japan or some place. So he said, "Swamiji, can I talk with you?" "And yes, why not?" "Where you have got so vast knowledge?" And "This is not my knowledge. I am simply translating. That's all. It is Vyasadeva's knowledge. It is not my knowledge." Mean... He appreciated the vast stock of knowledge. That is a fact. And this rascal says, even in India, that Bhagavata is not written by Vyasadeva. It is latest, within Christian era.

Tamala Krsna: Last thousand years.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Tamala Krsna: Written within the last thousand years.

Prabhupada: Yes. You know that? They say like that. So many rascals are there. And this is the only shelter, these, our centers, to be protected from all these rascals. These ISKCON centers are the only shelter. So you have to maintain it very nicely. There is no other shelter. All bogus more or less, all bogus. But you have to, not to... You quote, but the purpose of the verse you present reasonably. If you simply quote, it will not be simply very appealing. "Oh, they are simply..." Sometimes the Westerner criticize that, my Godbrother, Sadananda? He was criticizing that "Your presentation..." "Your" means our, this Vaisnava literature. "Simply you quote some Sanskrit verse, that's all." So these Sanskrit verses should be explained for understanding of the modern people. If you simply quote, it is not very appealing. In Durban..., Durban? We went to that university. You remember? That Arya-samaji? He was speaking that "This is Hindu conception. Hindu conception." And what do you mean by Hindu conception? A child grows to become a boy. Is that Hindu conception? It is science. When Krsna said, dehino 'smin yatha dehe kaumaram yauvanam jara [Bg. 2.13], that's a fact. It is applicable to the Hindus, to the Muslim, to the Christian, everyone. Why do you say it is Hindu conception? So you have to present in that way. They may not think that it is Hindu conception. Because they are all rascals, unless you explain it, that this is meant for everyone, they will misunderstand that Bhagavata is for the Hindus or for the Indians. It is for everyone. But one must realize. There is no question of Hindu conception or Muslim conception. (rattling sound) So this will go on whole day? "Cut-cut-cut-cut"?

Bhavananda: Morning and evening.

Prabhupada: Your party has sold twenty-five thousand big books?

Tamala Krsna: After three weeks.

Prabhupada: Huh?

Tamala Krsna: Yes. So far this month.

Prabhupada: Twenty-five thousand. I never thought that these books will be so well received. It is beyond my imagination. I thought a few copies may be sold.

Sudama: Remember, Srila Prabhupada, Tamala, he inaugurated in Seattle, Washington, the sankirtana party...

Prabhupada: No, he inaugurated from San Francisco. We were printing these Back to Godhead, five hundred. And he was most of the... You were selling?

Tamala Krsna: Actually it was 3,500, and we were selling 2,700 of them.

Prabhupada: Oh. Then Brahmananda... I asked Brahmananda. He was in charge. I asked him that "Why don't you print more?" I understood that he has got the potency to sell more. So print in regular way, in that way we arranged. What is that press?

Tamala Krsna: Oh, mimeograph.

Prabhupada: Mimeograph. I was printing. Yes. Then he inquired this Dai Nippon, many place. At last he said that "Unless we print twenty thousand, they will not take up this work." I said, "Immediately take it." From three thousand to twenty thousand immediately. At that time they were giving us ten cent or less than.

Sudama: Ten cent. It was around ten cents.

Prabhupada: So in this way. Then how you'll increase?

Jayapataka: Now you can sell whole sets.

Hari-sauri: Now more than one million.

Sudama: And in the years to come, many millions.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Sudama: Many millions in the years to come.

Prabhupada: Yes. There is good pote...

Jayapataka: Many people ask for bound volume of the whole year, Back to Godhead.

Prabhupada: But there is no remnants; we sell everything. Generally when there is some remaining copies, the publisher bound it up for future sale, reference. [break] Vedanta-sutra, that is the topmost philosophy. So that first verse, athato brahma jijnasa. In this human form of life there is no other businesssimply to inquire about Brahman. This is the fact. If anyone wants to fulfill the human form of life as distinguished from animal life, this is the only business, brahma-jijnasa. And the whole civilization is on this basis. Therefore first brahmacari, how to understand Brahman. So the children of human society is trained up, same principle, how to understand Brahman. So yesterday with that gentleman I told, "Where you got the sand?" Our beginning talk was that.

Tamala Krsna: Where you got the?

Prabhupada: Sand.

Tamala Krsna: Sand, yes, yes. Yesterday morning.

Prabhupada: I knew it, that they were preparing some sand, because Dr. Bose had a bottle factory. So he was melting the sand. Therefore I asked him. You cannot manufacture anything. You simply collect the ingredients given by God and you can transfer into some other form. You cannot manufacture. This building is also the same way. You have got the cement, the wood, the iron. Wherefrom you have got that? It is Krsna's property. So those who are manufacturing or constructing big, big houses for their living, they are simply eating their sinful activities. Ye pacanty atma-karanat [Bg. 3.13]. We are also... They can say that "You are also con..." But we are not doing it for ourself. It is for Krsna. Therefore karma and bhakti apparently looks the same activity, but one is for Krsna, another is for one's personal use. Bhunjate te tv agham papah. What is that verse? You know? Bhunjate te tv agham papa ye pacanty atma-karanat. Hm? What is that book? Oh. Today there is no fog, or there is, that side, fog. [break] ...all convinced that our only business is to become Krsna conscious. Huh? That is required. We have no other business. "We" means we human beings. We have no other business.

Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada, when someone comes to the stage of being convinced like that, that there is no other business, what is that stage called?

Prabhupada: That is called svarupa-siddhi. Jivera svarupa haya nitya-krsna-dasa [Cc. Madhya 20.108-109]. This realization, that "I am eternal servant of Krsna," this stage. And from here Caitanya Mahaprabhu's teaching begins.

Tamala Krsna: Very exalted.

Prabhupada: Hm? Yes. So you have to preach all over the world that "You are simply wasting time by so many department of knowledge. You are so foolish, rascal." Srama eva hi kevalam [SB 1.2.8]. Simply wasting time. I think I explained that to that gentleman last morning? He said in one hour, two hour you should devote... Not two hour. Twenty-four hour. Did I not say? Yes. Because that is the only business. We have no other business. Our Society is practically demonstrating that this is the only business and no other business. We therefore do not try even to earn our livelihood. That is the natural instinct of every animal. But we do not try even for that. Is it not?

Tamala Krsna: Transcendental platform.

Prabhupada: Yes. Let them see practically. We are not busy how to go to the office, how to the business place. We are not interested. We are simply interested for mangala arati, for class, for chanting, dancing. That's all. Practically see. We are not going to any office or any business.

Tamala Krsna: Yet we're still living in a palace.

Prabhupada: Yes. Let them see it. We are living in such a palace that everyone is envious. They ask in America that "You people, you do not do anything. How do you live so, like this?" Do they not?

Sudama: Yes.

Prabhupada: Yes. The storekeeper says. (laughs)

Tamala Krsna: And when we tell them, "We will also teach you how to do nothing also and live in a palace," they say, "Oh, no, thank you. That I do not want. I want to work hard."

Prabhupada: Yes, that is called worms of the stool. You see? If you take this worm from the stool, "Why you are living in stool? Come here," "No, no. I go back there." You'll see. The pig eating stool, ask him, "Take halava. Why you are eating?" "No, no. I like it very much." This is maya.

Tamala Krsna: So sometimes when a devotee goes, joins Krsna consciousness, then leaves again and goes back to the material world, its just like a pig going back to the stool.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is stated in Srimad-Bhagavatam. The materialism and spiritualism is explained by Rupa Gosvami. There is bird, cataka. So they drink water when the rain falls, and otherwise they will starve. They will never accept any water from this earth.

Tamala Krsna: There is actually such a bird.

Prabhupada: A devotee will never accept materialism, even if he dies of starvation. You'll see so many still. They are sticking to this principle. There are still many saintly persons in India. They do that. They don't care for any bodily care. "Some food comes; I shall eat. Never mind." Still you'll find. They are sitting in their place and chanting or meditating without any concern for bodily necessities.

Tamala Krsna: We see, Srila Prabhupada, that you also have no such concern, but just to deliver the whole world you are taking on this concern.

Prabhupada: This is for Krsna. We are constructing the buildings and begging money or..., and..., only for this purpose: people may become Krsna conscious. That is the only idea.

Tamala Krsna: Is that bhajananandi and gosthyanandi?

Prabhupada: Bhajananandi is not so important than gosthyanandi. Bhajananandi is doing for himself, and gosthyanandi is doing for all living being. If you prepare some rasagulla for you, and if you prepare rasagulla for mass of people, then who is better? Rasagulla is good, but if you prepare for yourself only, then that is also good. But one who is preparing for so many hundreds and thousands is better.

Tamala Krsna: I was just reading a verse in the Bhagavad-gita this morning. There's a... I don't know the Sanskrit, but the English is, "He who works for the welfare of others." Part of the verse mentions like that. "A liberated soul works for the welfare of others."

Bhavananda: But some people, especially here, they can understand you prepare rasagullas for the mass of people, but they don't like that you prepare rasagulla for Krsna.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Bhavananda: They want that you should prepare rasagulla for the mass of people but they don't like it if you're preparing rasagulla to give to Krsna.

Prabhupada: That is Vivekananda, daridra-narayana-seva. The answer is that if you do not prepare rasagulla for Krsna, then there will be no supply of rasagulla. So everything will be finished. Because bhunjate te tv agham papa ye pacanty atma-karanat [Bg. 3.13]. Anyone who is preparing rasagulla for himself or expanded himself, so they simply become implicated with sinful activities. So if you are... Suppose if you prepare rasagulla, stealing from the shopkeeper sugar and..., then how long you will go on? One day you'll be captured. Stena eva sa ucyate [Bg. 3.12]. What is that verse? Stena eva sa ucyate. (Bengali) Yajna-purusa. Real point is to satisfy. You cannot supply rasagulla, but if you supply rasagulla as prasadam, then the rasagulla-eater is benefited, you are benefited, and Krsna is pleased.

Jayapataka: But some devotees say that "In cooking rasagulla for Krsna and the masses, I got my hand burnt. So now I want to practice on my own how to make rasagulla. When I become expert, then again I'll make for the masses."

Prabhupada: You can prepare for Krsna so that your hands will be saved. Because you are thinking in that way, that "Let me prepare for myself," therefore your hands is burned. Bhunjate te tv agham papa ye pacanty atma-karanat [Bg. 3.13].

Tamala Krsna: It's seven o'clock now, Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: So we have to go down?

Tamala Krsna: Not have to. Whatever you like.

Prabhupada: As you like.

Tamala Krsna: We like what you like.

Prabhupada: So there will be rain. And if there is rain now, it is good. For these food grains. It is very good.

Jayapataka: Good for everything but the masuri.

Prabhupada: Well, masuri is not very important.

Tamala Krsna: What is masuri?

Jayapataka: Lentils.

Tamala Krsna: But it's not good for construction.

Jayapataka: No, no, it won't be...

Prabhupada: No, it will not continue. A few hours in a day, stop. Yadi varse maghera sesa, danda-raja punya-desa. This is the month of Magha. So at the end of Magha, if there is little rain, then it is to be understood that the king of that country is very pious and blessed. This time a little rain is required. Yadi varse maghera sesa, danda-raja punya-desa. There is a book, Khanara Vacana, astronomical prediction in this small verses.

Jayapataka: Pradyumna Prabhu had a copy of that book.

Prabhupada: Khanara Vacana?

Jayapataka: I was looking at it. It was very practical. Even how to... How many feet you should plant the different trees, banana and others.

Prabhupada: Khana was a woman, very intelligent. Wife... I think she was wife of Varaha Mihira. He was very great astrologer, and she learned from her husband, and then she explained in common language. That is Khanara Vacana.

Tamala Krsna: Who?

Prabhupada: This Khanara Vacana. She was... I think so... I don't know whether... She was the wife of a great, a very big astrologer.

Jayapataka: There was nine rsis of one raja, and then she was the daughter of one of those rsis.

Prabhupada: Oh, maybe, daughter or wife.

Jayapataka: Wife of a..., also.

Tamala Krsna: It's amazing how everything is so scientifically analyzed in the Vedas. The Westerners...

Prabhupada: Therefore we say "perfect." Sruti-pramanam.

Tamala Krsna: Even to the point of knowing about a certain amount of rain coming at the end of a particular season and how that indicates about the administration.

Prabhupada: Yes. Yes, everything. Danda-raja punya-desa.

Jayapataka: (Bengali)

Prabhupada: [break] "...whether you have got such buildings, whether you have got such books, whether you have got such disciples, whether you have traveled so..."? Then what they will, will be reply? Hm?

Jayapataka: But they've got the asirbad.

Prabhupada: Huh? Oh. They say that due to their asirbad?

Jayapataka: No, he is saying that he is the counterpart, that he's got the asirbad.

Prabhupada: No, asirbad, but what you have done for the asirbad. You are licking up the asirbad.

Child: Jaya Prabhupada.

Prabhupada: Hm. Jaya. He is also. [break] Vedic conception is that the birds and beasts, they should not be driven away. Let them eat as much as it like. They must eat also.

Tamala Krsna: So we shouldn't do that in our field?

Prabhupada: Yes. That is the Vedic.

Jayapataka: Then we won't have anything to eat.

Prabhupada: No, you produce more.

Jayapataka: What ha... In the... Because now this field is the only field that is ripening, so that if he doesn't scare the bird away, all the bird will come and eat his field. When all the wheat is ripening at the same time, then nobody cares. They let the birds eat. But if one man only is growing one crop at one time, then all the birds come. They will clean out and they all get...

Prabhupada: No, therefore everyone should grow seasonal grains. Everyone should take wheat. I think the number of men is more than the number of bricks. [break] ...rooms will be finished. They are not being finished. This? [break] ...Calcutta. So landlords became very perplexed. So one landlord asking, "You don't go. I shall reduce the rent." "Yes, that's all right, but your house is also not very good. There are so many rats." "All right, you can remain without rent." "And still, there are rats." "All right, I shall give you one cat so there will be no dis..." "Ah, who is going to keep a cat? I will require milk also to feed." "All right, I shall give you half kilo or one kilo milk also." "All right." So then he says, "Now no rent and one kilo milk, that's all right." This was in 1942.

Jayapataka: [break] ...minister is coming to the district and...

Prabhupada: Which minister?

Jayapataka: The Ajit Panja. He's the health minister. So we didn't see him...

Bhavananda: [break] ...that we must take drastic steps for curbing the population.

Prabhupada: Why don't you become brahmacari?

Hari-sauri: Too drastic.

Jayapataka: We want to present that we are, by moral training, achieving that.

Prabhupada: Yes. We are making them celibate. What is called? Celibacy.

Jayapataka: Even our grhasthas, they are only having one or two children. (end)