Prabhupada: (in car:) ...sex, up to the point of death. [break] ...in his belt was urine.

Brahmananda: Yes, he got his karma. F.D.R.

Jayatirtha: He was paralyzed also.

Brahmananda: Yeah, he could not walk. [break]

Prabhupada: ...disease, heart failure, these are the modern disease. People... Cancer.

Brahmananda: You were also saying that the psychology of the abortion is that the parents do not want to take the trouble...

Prabhupada: Yes, that I explained.

Brahmananda: Yes. Of raising the child. Therefore they create some...

Prabhupada: Otherwise, what is the reason? They know there are so many troubles. To avoid the troubles, "Kill this." That's all. So to save trouble, people are prepared to kill child even.

Brahmananda: And that's considered advancement, in modern life, to remove trouble. The whole life is conveniences, remove trouble. That shows they will go to any extent.

Prabhupada: So trouble that is, atyantika-duhkha-nivrtti, how to mitigate or finish all trouble, that they do not know. That is Krsna consciousness. Tyaktva deham punar janma [Bg. 4.9]. So long you will get this body, you will have trouble. But that they do not know, how to stop getting another body. So trouble is not mitigated in that way. You increase your entanglement, become sinful. You again take another body to suffer this sinful reaction. (end)