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Room Conversation
with German and Hamsaduta dasa

August 9, 1973, Paris
Hamsaduta: Isopanisad.
Guest (German Man): (German)
Hamsaduta: (German) Beyond... Easy Journey to Other planets.
Guest: (German)
Hamsaduta: Topmost Yoga.
Guest: That is the... Yeah, the source of the Absolute. That is the best. But I read it twenty times, always with, in every day I find new things.
Prabhupada: That is...
Guest: When I read other book, I read it one times, even not one time. But these books, I must read twenty times, and more even. It is, sometimes, it is, if I never read this book, it is so astonishing...
Prabhupada: Get new light.
Guest: I would say another thing what I was. When I met the knowledge of Omkarananda, yes, I went back quite a long, five kilometers, a farm, I retired in a farm. And then I made this meditation. And then I read the book and I read fifty pages in five minutes without reading that. And then when that was finished, I was in other worlds. I could speak about high, other fields, which never I had seen, but when, when I came back I didn't know what it was what I saw. In other words, it was not dream. Absolutely awake. Other worlds, and then other sciences, higher, and higher and higher. I don't know what it was, but it is no of signification, I believe.
Hamsaduta: It was not significant he says. He doesn't think, even though he experienced it, he doesn't think it's significant.
Guest: (German) I would ask if in the Christian conscience if it gives anything which resembles to this, which is of some worth. Because in your books sometimes you speak of Jesus Christ. He also said: "What have we to do? We have to love God with all our heart and to serve Him." If it gives any movement in your knowledge in Western Europe or in the world in the Christian side one can read what is what.
Hamsaduta: He wants to know if Christian, Christian teachings also bring the same consciousness, Krsna consciousness?
Prabhupada: Yes. One has to become...
Guest: (German)
Prabhupada: ...purified.
Guest: (German)
Hamsaduta: No, no, no. He says that in the Bible it says one should not make an image of God.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Hamsaduta: In the Christian teachings... (German)
Guest: Neither a picture of Him nor a likeness, likeness
Prabhupada: So why they have got image of Christ?
Hamsaduta: (German conversation)
Prabhupada: Why, why they keep Lord Jesus Christ's picture?
Hamsaduta: (German conversation)
Prabhupada: No, what is the philosophy. I am asking. What is the philosophy of keeping...?
Guest: (German conversation)
Hamsaduta: He says he doesn't know.
Guest: (laughs)
Prabhupada: Then why do you object of Krsna's form.
Hamsaduta: (German conversation)
Hamsaduta: Oh, the Deities. He cannot understand the Deities, that we are worshiping the Deity.
Prabhupada: Deity, that is image of Krsna.
Hamsaduta: That is (German conversation)
Prabhupada: It is the same principle. Why they should object having Krsna's form.
Hamsaduta: He says, it looks to him, it appears to him like a doll.
Prabhupada: Doll?
Hamsaduta: Doll, the Deities.
Guest: (German)
Hamsaduta: He says the Deities always have such big eyes. The Deities, have, They are always looking with such big eyes. He cannot understand.
Prabhupada: Big eyes? Big eyes is very fearful to him?
Hamsaduta: (German conversation)
Prabhupada: These are different mentalities. It is not very scientific.
Hamsaduta: Shall I explain to him about Deity worship?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Hamsaduta: (German conversation for a some time) His question is: "Who has...?"
Guest: (German)
Hamsaduta: Who has designated you as the spiritual master, because everyone is saying that: "I am the spiritual master," So how, how, how will one know who is the spiritual master?
Guest: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Maharsi...
Prabhupada: (To Srutakirti) Don't make this coming and going always. There is no other way for going down?
Srutakirti: No, we just had to find something. We... There was something in your bathroom we needed. This thing here... But we, we won't be using this at all.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Hamsaduta: You want to know how can you tell...
Guest: (German)
Prabhupada: The spiritual master is the representative of God.
Hamsaduta: (translates)
Prabhupada: So if he speaks what God speaks, then he's spiritual master, otherwise, he's a bogus.
Hamsaduta: (German conversation) What God has spoken in the scripture.
Guest: (German)
Prabhupada: So Mahesh Yogi does not speak of God. Therefore he's bogus.
Guest: I understand.
Hamsaduta: He wants to know if you, if you think that you will be able to complete all the volumes of Srimad-Bhagavatam which you have projected.
Prabhupada: Why not?
Guest: Yeh? Good. Thank you. (German)
Hamsaduta: He says, if you have anything, you can instruct him. Otherwise...
Prabhupada: I will instruct you to chant Hare Krsna mantra.
Hamsaduta: (translates)
Guest: (German)
Hamsaduta: How often? He wants...?
Prabhupada: Twenty-four hours.
Hamsaduta: (German conversation)
Prabhupada: Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare... Then everything will be revealed to you.
Hamsaduta: (translates)
Guest: Yah. Good.
Prabhupada: Thank you very much.
Guest: Thank you.
Prabhupada: Hare Rama... Hare Krsna. (end)

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