June 15, 1976, Detroit
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Prabhupada: So you can go there.
Prabhupada: We can go tomorrow. (indistinct)
Satsvarupa: We left in the morning. It looked like this.
Prabhupada: It was little earlier.
Satsvarupa: Yes. [break] About twelve.
Prabhupada: People are coming?
Satsvarupa: Yes. And their main program is they go every day on the lawn at the university and they set up a pandal tent and chant for about two hours. And they are building a truck for distributing prasada in the wintertime on campus...
Prabhupada: You make arrangement.
Satsvarupa: Yes. Very nice clean house, but not much bigger than a house like that. But very nice and clean.
Prabhupada: Forty-eight cents?
Satsvarupa: I don't know. Ambarisa? How much are cigarettes?
Ambarisa: I think they're seventy-five cents. They are very highly taxed.
Prabhupada: Who cares for it? (laughter) Wine is highly taxed in India. When I was manager in Dr. Bose's laboratory, he was manufacturing alcohol(?) for medicinal purposes. The cost was one rupee eight annas per gallon. The government was levying duty. For medicinal purpose, five rupees per gallon, whereas purchasing liquor, fifty-eight. The government would take profit out of it, fifty-eight rupees.
Satsvarupa: (indistinct) Fifth Canto (indistinct)
Prabhupada: Today, there was description, there is description, the fight was so severe that the blood sprinkled up to the sun planet. So why not moon planet? Why they say sun planet? The sun is the nearest planet from the earth. So this calculation.... They say the sun planet is 93,000,000 miles away from earth? And if you add further 1,600,000 miles, it comes to about fifteen (50?) million miles. Fifteen (50?) million miles, they have calculated, go there by the sputnik at the rate of 13,000 miles per hour. (indistinct)
Ambarisa: They said they went fifteen million?
Hari-sauri: No, according to our calculation.... We agree with the figure 93,000,000, as approximate to the sun, but then our figure is 1,600,000 beyond it to the moon.
Prabhupada: (indistinct) Ambarisa does not agree. (laughs)
Ambarisa: No, I agree. I wonder where they went? I think they went somewhere. Maybe not.
Hari-sauri: Prabhupada said in Los Angeles it's very easy to simulate these moon landing pictures in a movie so that they're.... Just like there are so many films now where they show this.
Satsvarupa: People in the classes, when the students say that that they do not see God, there is no proof for God, I give that argument you give. I say, "Well, I am a common layman, I have no proof that we've actually gone to the moon. At least I haven't gone to the moon. Show me right away that you can prove it me." They say, "Well, we have rocks, they brought back rocks." "I don't believe that they are from the moon." They are astonished that I..., we could actually doubt. (laughter)
Ambarisa: There is another planet that is close to the earth that they could have gone to, isn't there?
Prabhupada: (indistinct) some petrol station in the sky?
Ambarisa and Satsvarupa: I never heard that.
Prabhupada: No, there was some plan that there would be...
Satsvarupa: Another planet?
Prabhupada: No, intermediate station for supplying petrol.
Prabhupada: Yes. There was some suggestion. (Bengali) ...why Sunday first, and Monday second, all over the world?
Satsvarupa: Sun, moon.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] Sun planet, moon planet, Mars, Jupiter, like this, last, Saturn. So if this is systematic, then this calculation also means sun planet first. Why Sunday first?
Ambarisa: Why Sunday first? Because the sun is closer to the earth. (laughs)
Prabhupada: That is my version.
Ambarisa: Yes, I agree with that.
Prabhupada: But why do they say the moon planet first?
Ambarisa: Because their senses are imperfect.
Prabhupada: Svarupa Damodara also, he also not replied satisfactorily. [break] ...do not count talking about sun, moon excursion. Why they are now stop, not talking anything?
Devotee (1): All they could get was some dust.
Prabhupada: That is already known. Further?
Makhanlal: They want to go to Mars and Saturn now.
Prabhupada: Why? Moon finished? Simply by taking dust? And still the government is going to pay for Mars and Venus?
Devotee (1): They all do favors for each other. The government contracts big construction companies to build military bases for them. And then in turn they all have engagement, they all feed each other, like that. We met one boy in Houston, his grandfather was a disciple of Bhaktisiddhanta.
Devotee (1): Yes. No, he is not Indian, he was German.
Prabhupada: German. Yes.
Devotee (1): His grandfather was German, he was raised in Germany.
Prabhupada: Yes, we had two German Godbrothers. One is that Sadananda. Another was Bon something.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break]
Devotee (1): ...family they live in Houston, they're a big construction company, and they do all kinds of construction work for the government.
Prabhupada: I think his grandfather was also architect.... That gentleman was Jew.
Devotee (1): I don't remember. I think he was. He used to work with George Harrison.... Harrison was their name. He was very rich. Their family does construction work for big government officials in Iran, and they are building one big naval base in Iran.
Prabhupada: Why not to take our work in Mayapura? [break]
Devotee (1): ...letter, Srila Prabhupada. He never returned it. [break]
Satsvarupa: ...half of what he says isn't true. I would doubt that all these claims are even true. He says things and then they turn out not to be true.
Dhrstadyumna: He came on my bus for a week.
Satsvarupa: He's nice, but I don't think he has all that aristocratic background that he claims.
Devotee (1):...by the results. What a man can do?
Devotee (2): Srila Prabhupada, I was noticing as we walk that there are so many trash cans, but no one throws their trash in the can. There are so many trash cans, but none of the karmis are throwing their trash in the can. They just don't care. They throw it along the road.
Dhrstadyumna: Srila Prabhupada was pointing out that at seven o'clock in the morning you'll see everyone in the liquor stores, but they don't organize them to come and clean. You were mentioning that everyone is lining up to buy liquor in the morning with their money from the government. They don't work. But instead the government should have them working cleaning the parks, but they are not expert managers. [break] ...in the early hours the people are sweeping the streets, cleaning.
Devotee (1): People in America, they don't care, they don't care to even walk five steps to drop a paper in a can.
Makhanlal: In the Upadesamrta, in the eleventh verse, it says that if one takes his bath even once in the Radhakunda he immediately awakens his love for Krsna. I was wondering, some of those who have had the opportunity to take bath in Radhakunda, it seems though it may take some time. I was wondering, is that because we don't see time in the proper perspective?
Prabhupada: Why do you go to Radhakunda? Unless there is some awakening of Krsna consciousness. [break]
Devotee (1): ...he's a rich man's son, but he's walking without shoes just like a sadhu. [break]
Satsvarupa: ...was the president of Ann Arbor temple. I told him what you were thinking. You think you really want to go to Ann Arbor?
Prabhupada: Not necessary. (indistinct) [break]
Satsvarupa: ...God, Christ, they believe that Christ is God, some Christians.
Dhrstadyumna: Many different understandings.
Satsvarupa: Some say he's a perfect man. Some say a son of God or he's actually God. [break] ...a spirit within.
Dhrstadyumna: ...Holy Ghost is like Brahman and Paramatma. All-pervading God and God within the heart speaking.
Satsvarupa: And Jesus Christ is the only son of the Lord, and he's the Lord also at the same time.
Prabhupada: But he's servant.
Satsvarupa: Yes. And we also say only by the mercy of the guru. But they say only through Jesus. [break] ...so many similarities. Sometimes a Christian asks, "What is unique about your religion? Why should I...? It seems to be the same as what we have."
Dhrstadyumna: I lived in one Christian monastery, Srila Prabhupada, before, with monks. There is no bliss. They don't have kirtana and prasadam.
Devotees: Jaya Prabhupada!