January 16, 1976, Mayapur
Prabhupada: They'll never give us.
Jayapataka: They're willing to give; they just want a higher price.
Prabhupada: What is the use?
Jayapataka: [break] He wants six thousand rupees. (Prabhupada laughs) He has got three and a half bigas, about twenty thousand rupees...
Prabhupada: We don't want it. [break]
Jayapataka: This is about four feet. It used to be ten feet high. This used to be ten feet high. [break] ...the top during the monsoon. But according to the Ganges level the water is going up and down.
Prabhupada: Now what is the depth?
Jayapataka: It's about twelve feet now.
Prabhupada: That's all right. [break] This is not our land?
Jayapataka: This sugarcane is our land, but this is not our land. That's why here the top became narrow. [break] ...here the one step with the pathway coming up to here and one step over there. [break] ...know this height was all right because you requested to lower the height. Then we'll put a stairs going up and over there. Over by these steps, then going up and over the hill, there will be a stairway. So then we can make a nice sitting platform with a shade area.
Prabhupada: This height?
Prabhupada: Yes, this is all right.
Jayapataka: And we'll landscape on this now, planting trees and things.
Prabhupada: And how this side? You can make it also slope. [break] ...clear.
Prabhupada: This land will be utilized for walking?
Jayapataka: We're going to put trees and things and make it beautiful. At one time you suggested that there be cottages placed here.
Prabhupada: No. [break]
Jayapataka: So we'll make this a park.
Jayapataka: Those trees which can grow on low land, they can be put here.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...for trees, do it very nice, different types of fruits and...
Jayapataka: [break] ...suggested that for this year's Dola Purnima we put hutments here for the devotees.
Jayapataka: Just temporary.
Jayapataka: Grass, for housing.
Prabhupada: No, there are so many rooms.
Jayapataka: There's not.... Rooms only can hold about three hundred devotees.
Bhavananda: Some of the rooms are occupied for handloom, have big looms in them.
Prabhupada: So why not have rooms that side?
Prabhupada: Yes. That side. [break] ...unnecessary expenditure to have some cottage and again spoil it. Don't spend. It is better spend for rooms like that, that side, wall and rooms, and this should be used for only trees.
Prabhupada: Hm, yes. Within the trees, walkway. That will be very nice. Don't spend unnecessarily for cottage.
Jayapataka: For this year there is no time to make those.
Prabhupada: Then as much as possible you can do. What is there? Engage hundred workers and it will be done.
Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, we don't have the money to do.
Prabhupada: I will give you money. If money is the only question, I will give you money. You can immediately begin.
Bhavananda: We will immediately start.
Prabhupada: Yes, cottage.... But make it little higher.
Prabhupada: Plinth should be higher.
Jayapataka: See, right now there's no bricks available in the market.
Jayapataka: Because they just started producing bricks in January, December 15th, and all the government has advance bricks. We wanted bricks.... Right now it's very little...
Prabhupada: There are so many brick fields.
Jayapataka: But they've just started production.
Prabhupada: Just inquire. If it is available you can do.
Jayapataka: I'll inquire. Because we just ordered four thousand bricks.
Jayapataka: We ordered four thousand bricks. It took two weeks to get them.
Prabhupada: You can make a big tent here, big tent. So people may come: women tent and men tent. There is no need of rooms. That will be nice.
Prabhupada: Yes, on this land. Just like here you can have a big tent, there a big tent.
Devotee (1): For the devotees to stay in?
Prabhupada: Woman tent and men tent.
Bhavananda: We have enough rooms for the women.
Prabhupada: Oh, that's all right.
Jayapataka: We're going to make a women's tent...
Prabhupada: No, no. You can have a tent. If there is extra men they can live in this tent.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Oh, yes, immediately.
Jayapataka: We can start, but I'm doubtful whether we'll get enough bricks to finished. That's only my point, if I start and don't finish it...
Prabhupada: There is no harm.
Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada said let's do what we can do.
Prabhupada: [break] ..."victorious flag," "Jayapataka." [break] ...to walk in this place. Very nice. Oh, yes. Sun is rising. [break] ...dolls?
Jayapataka: All the dollmakers have gone to Los Angeles.
Prabhupada: Oh. All right. [break] ...bricks are available you can begin immediately.
Jayapataka: [break] Yes.
Prabhupada: So you can make tent here?
Prabhupada: Yes. You can make tent here.
Jayapataka: We put much dirt here. This land is a bit raised now. We can just open them out here.
Prabhupada: All right. Anywhere you can.... Here, you can make tent here, here. Just near the...
Jayapataka: Some sabjis are growing there. We can make some place.
Devotee (2): This place is already open.
Prabhupada: [break] ...and people can live there. [break] ...very nice, facing east. Very good.
Jayapataka: [break] ...are the handlooms. The dispensary is here. Then here men are living. Then, from this side over, the women are living.
Prabhupada: That's ni...
Jayapataka: Separate. Then the prasadam pavilion and kitchen are there.
Prabhupada: [break] ...dispensary I can give you some formulas for general diseases. One has got little fever; you give that mista. One has got some sores; you give some ointment, without any doctor's advice.
Bhavananda: We need, Srila Prabhupada. For all those little things we need.
Prabhupada: Yes, I will give you so many formulas.
Bhavananda: For boil also?
Prabhupada: Anything, all common disease. You have got cough? Take this mista. Just first of all find out what are the general complaints.
Jayapataka: For several.... For some time practically no one has been bed case, but little things, cuts, bruise, cough, cold.
Prabhupada: Yes. Many formulas I can give you.
Bhavananda: There is one woman from England. She is in charge of our dispensary. I can send her by today?
Bhavananda: You can give her the...
Prabhupada: [break] ...mixture. Stock medicine that is called. [break] ...consulting doctor, without any harm, you can give. Just like homeopathic. So now these are vacant. Why these doors are not closed?
Jayapataka: This is our spinning room, workroom. They just left it.
Bhavananda: Five rooms.
Jayapataka: Nine rooms? No.
Prabhupada: [break] ...that's nice. Very good. [break] ...surprised that "In temple, why handloom? What kind of temple it is?" They will criticize like that.
Prabhupada: They'll.... They get one point: "Oh, here is some fault." And then, "They're not worshiping? They are going handloom?"
Prabhupada: But the rascals do not know Krsna says, svakarmana tam abhyarcya samsiddhim labhate narah. Whatever he knows, he can work on it, and that way he can get perfection, provided he is Krsna conscious. That is wanted. Otherwise people think, misunderstand, that "They are parasites." Why we should be parasite? We should work for Krsna. That's all. It is not that because sannyasi and brahmacari, you'll be able. No. Everyone. Svakarmana. Krsna says, svakarmana: "Whatever talent you have got, you can serve Me and be perfect." That is the program. They are preparing cloth for the devotees, not for business. Therefore he is serving Krsna. To serve devotee and to serve Krsna, there is no difference. [break] So proper watering is going on?
Jayapataka: Actually these places are very far from water. We have to put some other line to make it very efficient. Now they're just taking by bucket.
Prabhupada: No, you can join some pipeline. Make a water storge, and from pipeline it will be supplied everywhere. Make water storage on the roof, on the roof.
Jayapataka: We have.... On that corner room there in the kitchen, that's one water storage.
Jayapataka: That supplies.
Prabhupada: So by pump store water and by pipe distribute.
Jayapataka: This is what the Gargamuni's money, as we get, we're using for these programs.
Prabhupada: Why it is being broken again?
Jayapataka: This is.... We're putting on the other side the doorway. You commented that "Why the door should be facing inside?"
Prabhupada: No, no. No inside store.
Jayapataka: It's facing outside.
Prabhupada: Yes. You can...
Jayapataka: It's already finished. We're just going to...
Jayapataka: Bookstore and...
Bhavananda: Yes. We're going to make a small entrance door on this side.
Prabhupada: That's nice.
Bhavananda: Cloth and bookstore.
Jayapataka: Many people request that we sell our cloth because they say they don't get such nice cloth in the market.
Jayapataka: Right now we have four stores, Srila Prabhupada.
Jayapataka: We have four fronts.
Prabhupada: That's all right.
Jayapataka: There are books, cloth, prasada, then?
Prabhupada: And.... Books, prasadam, and cloth. (Bengali)
Prabhupada: And mrdanga? Why not appoint one mrdanga maker? He can sell outside, and whatever he makes we shall take.
Prabhupada: One utensils, karatala seller.
Jayapataka: I can.... We can have our own people. Just as the store owners are making outside, we can make outside with them.
Prabhupada: Why outside? We shall make here. Simply you require the manufacturer.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Jayapataka: To make karatalas... To make mrdangas doesn't require much capital, but to make karatalas requires a lot of capital because the metal is very expensive.
Prabhupada: We shall invest. If we get good manufacturer, we shall invest. What is the capital wanted?
Jayapataka: About four, five thousand rupees.
Prabhupada: Oh, we shall invest.
Jayapataka: The gurukula is living on this side. And they're having classes in this original house. [break] (laughter)
Jayapataka: Many people want to open up a shop. They'll pay for the...
Prabhupada: [break] ...tulasi...
Jayapataka: Our land.
Prabhupada: So why not employ one man to manfacture tulasi beads? Yes. There are many experts.
Prabhupada: No, let them manufacture. That will make him devotee.
Bhavananda: On the right here, Srila Prabhupada, is our nursery for our landscaping.
Prabhupada: So this is nice. It is very.... It will be very nice to live in these rooms. What is the cost of this kattan?
Prabhupada: What do we pay?
Jayapataka: Bed, the small bed, about twenty-five, thirty rupees.
Prabhupada: That's nice.
Jayapataka: And the bigger ones, a full man size, about forty-five.
Prabhupada: Very good. It is nice.
Jayapataka: That's solid wood with mingo(?) top or turta(?) top.
Bhavananda: [break] ...stay here.
Prabhupada: How many boys to stay in one room?
Bhavananda: Two boys to three boys, depending on their size. Little ones, three and four, and the bigger boys, ten, twelve years old, two.
Prabhupada: [break] ...rooms.
Bhavananda: These are the remnants of old dioramas that we had.
Prabhupada: That means you have broken them?
Bhavananda: They were broken.
Prabhupada: Huh? Broken by?
Jayapataka: Time. They were clay. They started just falling.... No doll maker is here. After one year they started to fall apart.
Bhavananda: From three years ago.
Prabhupada: No, they break.
Jayapataka: They should have been put in the Ganges.
Prabhupada: No, how it breaks? They keep it for years, and you broke them? How you...? How you broke? Automatically?
Jayapataka: No, because there was no place to store them, by moving them and moving them from different rooms then they gradually broke.
Prabhupada: So there are so many rooms. You could not make any store?
Jayapataka: First they were in the building to here. When they moved it then many became damaged. And somebody came in and vandaled them.
Jayapataka: Somebody came in and destroyed them.
Prabhupada: Somebody came in?
Prabhupada: You are so careful. That is the defect. Yes. Somebody broke it. [break] We have got so many enemies and you did not take care of it. [break] Where these.... When these pictures will begin?
Jayapataka: Over on that side we're putting the stones. The stones should be finished about in one week. Then we're going to start the pictures. Already there's a few frames they're ready to start on that side.
Prabhupada: [break] Begin immediately. Otherwise...
Prabhupada: Why you are spoiling space by making these arches? You could have used the whole place.
Jayapataka: Having the arches, when they're all painted it will be very attractive.
Prabhupada: [break] ...attractive, it is going to be very expensive.
Jayapataka: Each arch cost only fifteen rupees.
Prabhupada: All right. [break] ...will be written on the arches?
Jayapataka: They're putting a very nice stone. Rose quartz.
Prabhupada: [break] Vandalism, no? Then what is to be done? [break] ...big doors, why it is open? This should be open when car is going. Otherwise not.
Jayapataka: I think he opened it for Your Divine Grace to go.
Prabhupada: No, close it. Simply...
Prabhupada: Who is in charge? (Bengali)
Bhavananda: It's normally closed, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Yes. [break] ...spending money unnecessarily. And no...
Jayapataka: This wall was.... We only got the money for building all this a month and a half ago. Then this wall is just plastered. It takes two months to dry the wall. If you paint before two months, then the paint will come off. Therefore, we're giving this two months. We made the arch and now we're going to start the painting. [break] ...immediately paint it right after plastering and the paint doesn't stick. We thought that by doing this the wall would be so beautiful and impressive that the pictures will be more accented.
Prabhupada: Do it. [break] ...foolish person in the whole world. You allow vandals to come and break your dolls. [break] ...give them protection, even to the dolls. [break] ...made with so much labor and you allowed the vandals to come in?
Jayapataka: Actually, I think it was our own children.
Prabhupada: Huh? Anyway, why did you not keep it properly? [break] ...painting will begin?
Jayapataka: Begin right away, Srila Prabhupada. This week.
Prabhupada: These arches will be filled up with stones?
Jayapataka: Yes. But there are so many arches that are already cleared. We have enough to start a few.... Gopala Krsna said that Ramesvara was going to send the funds. We have enough money to start a few arches as long as his funds come soon. But if he delays with the funds, then it will be difficult because we don't have very much money now.
Prabhupada: What is this cottage?
Jayapataka: These are for making gur.
Prabhupada: Oh. This is our land?
Jayapataka: No, this is our night guardsman.
Prabhupada: [break] ...the gur?
Jayapataka: We use it the whole year for the sweetening in the different preparations of prasada.
Prabhupada: We use ourself.
Jayapataka: Yes. We don't...
Jayapataka: No. We don't have surplus yet.
Prabhupada: [break] You also? (laughter)
Jayapataka: Arch or anything be put on this gate?
Jayapataka: Should we put any little arch on this gate?
Prabhupada: Yes, why not? Later on. It is not very urgent. [break]
Prabhupada: Other one?
Prabhupada: Wherefrom you got it?
Jayapataka: This was manufactured in Calcutta.
Bhavananda: This is American subway.
Bhavananda: Engineering. To keep people going in single file.
Jayapataka: There's no other door like this exactly.
Bhavananda: Otherwise the people come and crowd up at the exit, and then, when we open it up, everyone falls down.
Prabhupada: Yes. This is.... [break] ...place to be utilized?
Bhavananda: This will be playpen. This will be for the children, the little children to stay.
Prabhupada: Oh? Why?
Bhavananda: So many times there are always little babies. Their mothers are working, and they get into trouble, so this will be a nice area for them to play around in.
Prabhupada: [break] ...abide by these rules?
Prabhupada: That's nice.
Tamala Krsna: I have never seen such a big hall like this anywhere else, for eating, prasadam hall, I mean.
Prabhupada: Railway station.
Prabhupada: Bombay railway station. Yes. Bombay railway station is little higher, that's all. Like this.
Jayapataka: The sound in here is pretty good.
Bhavananda: [break] This is for.... We use for soaking paddy.
Jayapataka: During the festival days for putting cooked food in big quantities.
Jayapataka: In these.
Bhavananda: A man who has joined us, he has given us the tempo.
Prabhupada: It is work...?
Jayapataka: It needs to be repaired.
Prabhupada: Oh, then don't take it. Don't take it. Kana goru brahmana ke dana.(?) You do not understand Bengali? "Blind cow given in charity to a brahmana." When it is useless—"Charity. All right."
Jayapataka: If the man lives here, what to do? He's a devotee.
Prabhupada: You may go with your, this car, or throw it in the street. Don't take all these charities.
Prabhupada: Yes, "Govindaya namah." Purify, govindaya namah. Don't take it. Simply immediately throw it in the street. It is obnoxious. Immediately break the whole thing, and, part by part, sell it. But that is not possible. Ask him to first of all get it outside and then leave here. Don't allow this nonsense. [break] ...stand this space. Why? Why should we allow it? Useless.
Jayapataka: We were thinking about whether we should repair it or not.
Prabhupada: No. You should not take anything which requires repairing. Don't accept. [break] ...in the meantime. [break] (Bengali) It has not worked for three hundred years. (Bengali) You do not engage them for cleansing?
Bhavananda: These boys are in charge.
Prabhupada: What is that in charge? Why it is so dirty? Why it is so dirty?
Devotee (3): We clean every day.
Prabhupada: Every day?
Devotee (3): Yes.
Prabhupada: So why it is not clean today?
Devotee (3): We clean it in the evenings before we leave. The people living upstairs, they pass through here. This is the entrance into their living quarters, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: You clean in the evening and in the morning it is so dirty?
Devotee (3): In the afternoon or in the evening, early.
Prabhupada: You clean in the evening and in the morning it is so dirty?
Devotee (3): Well, they're passing through here to their living quarters.
Prabhupada: And therefore it should be dirty. Then what for cleaning? Just see. What is the cleaning? You clean in the evening; in the morning it is dirty. Is that very good reason? Clean. Engage them. [break] ...you are chanting, sri-vigraharadhana-nitya-nana-srngara-tan-man..., tan-mandira-marjanadau **. This is all temple. This is not ordinary hotel, free hotel. If they cannot take care as temple, they must go away. [break] ...eating, sleeping. That's all, not working. See that they do not make it a free hotel for eating and sleeping. Don't allow this. It should be clean. Why in the evening? Every morning it should be clean and washed and mopped. (Bengali)
Jayapataka: Generally they chant the japa till about 7:15.
Prabhupada: And therefore everything should be.... They must give up japa; first of all clean. That is japa, first. In the name of japa and dozing and everything is unclean. This nonsense should not be allowed. Ask them, "Stop japping. First of all clean. Then japa, make japa." This is a plea, "japa."
Prabhupada: This is a plea, excuse.
Jayapataka: Generally at 7:15 they start cleaning.
Prabhupada: No, no. I see. Why it is not clean? It must have been clean. [break] (Bengali) Yes, but I don't see they are working at the gate. [break] ...theoretical.
Jayapataka: They make every day the rice for the day.
Prabhupada: So where they are doing? Today is no rice required?
Jayapataka: They start when the schedule starts at 7:30.
Prabhupada: What is the time now?
Jayapataka: They're all waiting for you to...
Prabhupada: Very punctual, 7:30. Not waiting.
Prabhupada: Who is japping? Please be careful that this idle class in the name of japa...
Jayapataka: There's no way here.
Prabhupada: So which way we shall go?
Jayapataka: Back on the road again. [break] Beet vegetable.
Prabhupada: That's all. [break] ...made. This is not washed? (Bengali) [break] This growth stopped?
Jayapataka: Here is the handloom production.
Prabhupada: What service they do?
Bhavananda: He weeds all of the hedges under Tapomaya.
Prabhupada: So why they are drying? They should water it. [break] (Bengali) They are doing rightly. There are so many men. Why this should be not taken care of? [break] ...not indulge to give shelter persons—in the name of so-called japa they take advantage of free boarding and lodging. You should be very careful. Everyone should be, according to capacity, must be engaged to some work. Don't allow this stupidity. [break] ...plants are grown properly you get so many fruits. They are drying. There is so much space. You can get the sak and the fruit also.
Sudama: [break] We made vegetable from that stem.
Prabhupada: Yes, it is very good vegetable. [break] ...and cycle.
Bhavananda: That is one of our boys from Italy. He is working in the gosala.
Prabhupada: Oh. That is not utilized. (Bengali) (end)